Was it you that punted me Sunbeam into the barriers at Old Hall on the slowing down lap Joss as it was someone in a Rover and after I had just put the thing on pole I might add. Maybe thats how you got turned on to them, I mean you may have thought if a 1600cc pushrod engined Ti can beat all those V8's imagine what can a Lotus version can do, must have one of those!