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5 Apr 2018, 22:36 (Ref:3813100) | #1 | |
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Holden Gives Up (For Now) On The V6Fix!!!
Holden suspends V6 turbo development
Not surprised, Not helped by the latest Sales figures either i guess |
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Well that's a big call to make isn't it?
Seems to me that it may well point to the direction the future tech regs are taking. If the category is considering sticking with V8 engines only, or has made that decision already, it would make no sense to spend another minute or dollar on V6TT development. The Holden announcement may well have been triggered by decisions made at Supercars but not communicated publicly (yet). Interesting times ahead! |
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Yeah quite possible, though that would mean T8 know more than the other teams..
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Hope it's been suspended due to the series looking in another direction rather than concerns over it being competitive vs teams like DJR that stick with a tried and true engine package
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This is not the first time there has been a pushback with the V6TT.
While I'm very happy to see everything remain V8, what is annoying me is the news of when he will see a V6TT (even as a wildcard entry) and then money spent to attend the debut, only for 888 to change their minds again. How about sort out what you are doing, make an announcement, then stick to it. |
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In other words, "no money for [not V8] Supercars racing." It doesn't make any difference to Holden's sales numbers, so why should they bother?
Hmm... Supercars HQ will not be pleased. If Nissan and Holden both withdraw, the Supercars series will be in a spot of bother indeed IMO. Everyone will just limp on racing old Chevy V8s and old Falcons until.........? |
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I wouldn't be surprised if this was connected to how badly Holden are doing sales wise at the moment. Without a volume seller such as the Commodore the company must be bleeding cash. I cant see sales improving in the short-mid term either. With sales at such a low how can any company be putting money into motorsport?
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I spent some time last week driving the four cylinder turbo version. There is nothing inherently wrong with it - yes the front wheel drive is noticeable, but only when the boy racer takes over. The only criticism I could make is that the view out of the rear window is quite restricted. However the dealer from which the car came from has sold only 1 to date........... |
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I was referring to not just this change but the previous Clipsal debut plan also. Maybe Holden are pulling the strings but I can't see 888/Roland Dane sitting back being told what to do, working hard to achieve it only to then be told to not worry anymore without having some input about direction via meetings along the way. |
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In broader terms with development of the TT6 on hold and Holdens slide down the sales ladder , would Holden be looking to also end its involvement in the series? IIRC last time it only just made it across the line since the change of management which was apparently against involvement in the series.
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http://www.supercars.com/videos/cham...s/?cat=default
So according to Skaife and Neil, the V6TT program will be back on track when the team is ready to not challenge for wins and be competitive on track with the ZB. Besides its already outside the old guidelines being a 5door so thats enough. ???? Huh? (Note - post may be troll-like) |
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Spewing a little bit as I was hoping to see one this year at Bathurst but alas probably not.
However as someone suggested, (yep im a dinosaur) and would love to see a V8 Camaro race, however the other part of thinks why stop selling V8s in the car yard but not carry on with the development of the Turbo-ed 6 for racing. I guess the 2 dont fit with each other. Strange times ahead. Im all for V8s but have seen what Turbo cars now do in drag racing, its insane and evolution is paramount I guess. |
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I wonder if Holden is thinking about changing their racecar model to the Camaro, seeing as it has a v8 and is rear wheel drive
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Sounds like someone at GM has done the numbers during development. Cost, power, economy and reliability verses the current V8 obviously didn't stack up well.
888 probably aren't too happy about this. Given it was supposed to be another source of income for the team. Quote:
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The ZB is selling, they've probably shifted more since release, than Nissan has sold Altimas.
On the V6TT... total shame it's being shelved. I'm not partial to any particular engine design. If it does what it's supposed to, and happens to sound decent, it'll get a tick of approval from me. I suspect that with teams and sponsors publicly stating their complete lack of interest in it, the numbers may not add up anymore. If the development costs were to be amortised over 14 cars, multiplied by however many engines needed (plus maintenance and repairs), then perhaps it longer stacks up if you're only catering for a much smaller group of cars? |
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they sold 4500 altimas, they ahvent sold that many ZB's
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This surely brings into question the future of Holden in the series beyond the end of their current deals?
Wasn't the prospect of the V6TT one of the main factors that helped them commit post-2016? If they've dropped the engine, what are they dropping next? |
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Supercars participation seems to be bear little relation to vehicles sold. Holden and Nissan would surely look closely at Ford spending their money on conventional advertising, and question whether they too would get the most return on investment from that type of advertising rather than motorsport... |
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I have a V8 SS,
Im glad its not a turbo |
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