the Kelly Krate aka the #16 car

cavvy · 14 Oct 2010, 22:09 (Ref:2775143)

I dont buy this bit of spin courtesy Kelly Racing:

Kelly Racing is evaluating the driver and sponsorship combination for its #16 entry in 2011.

With drivers and sponsors locked in for three of its four cars for next year, the Braeside-based team is looking at a number of options for its fourth entry, currently driven by West Australian Tony Ricciardello.

Pit lane rumour has suggested that if there’s change in the driver’s seat, David Reynolds is the man in line to drive the #16 Commodore VE entry next year.

Team owner/driver Rick Kelly told Speedcafe.com.au that whatever the decision they make on the driver, improving the team as a whole is the priority.

“We’re looking to take steps up on both sides of the garage next year,” he said.

“I think the results that we’re getting in the Jack Daniel’s garage need improvement, and so do results with Kelly Racing garage. At the moment, we’ve thrown a lot at Tony, and he’s put in a lot of effort to do better.

“We still have a few rounds to get it as good as it can be.

Rick, you've got todays Britek Barge out there. Maybe you should put in a few laps at each round & prove its the driver not the car.

FPV8U · 14 Oct 2010, 22:39 (Ref:2775150)

Is the #16 even a "Kelly" Spec Chassis or is it an old 2007/08 Perkins VE?

Axeman444 · 14 Oct 2010, 22:52 (Ref:2775154)

to answer the query from Cavvy, check what they said about Wood and McNally before dumping them... if similar you haev your answer

as i mentioned elsewhere, i reckon they are either going to up the seat buy price therefore get the car higher up with more go-fast bits bought from the increased seat buy price...

OR

buy a driver and contribute a deal of money to the car to bolt on the go-fast bits

I guess it comes down to whom is financing the go-fast bits, KR, Tony R or a new driver

davester · 15 Oct 2010, 01:23 (Ref:2775179)

Is it true that neither Rick or Todd will even put a lap time on the Stratco #16 at a test day because they all know how slow it is? It's easier to cast doubt on the current driver than show sponsors that #16 may be a dog.

**GTRMagic** · 3 Nov 2010, 04:15 (Ref:2784283)

Kelly to join board to help team...

My first question is why? Not to put too fine a point on it, but what will the KR group offer the board of VESA when in reality there are still some serious problems on the home front?

The Kelly Racing equipe has existed in various forms as Perkins Engineering since 1986, so while there was a relocation of personnel, the original IP in those cars, however they were hotted up to meet 'KR specification', came from the Perkins equipe. So it is quite grating that every man and his dog seems to reduce their expectations for this team because they are apparently "NEW"

The problem in this squad to my mind is two fold:
-Commercially they are apparently not approaching the funding level across four cars that a red and silver outfit seems to have managed to accumulate across two
- Technically they have the capacity to make and prepare cars and equipment, but the 4 cars are not all quick, not all consistent, not all capable of achieving results at the same time, if at all.

While solving the first issue can fix the second, it still seems extremely difficult to secure a corporate sponsor who wants to be seen on an alcohol branded car.

Case in point is the Bundy Rum crew, who dont have substantial backing from any other brands, in fact Holden doesnt brand their cars (except when Mr Briscoe was at the wheel @ Bathurst) as that sponsorship contravenes their policy not to support alcohol brands.

The "Kelly Krate" as described here could equally apply as an issue with the #11 car, which hasnt shone with any kind of glory this season (other than 1 sprint race at Phillip Island), despite a Bathurst winning pilot and that chassis being the half/half PE/KR chassis built for Mr T.Kelly when Perkins Engineering ran the show.

Will there be a change in sponsors next season, in drivers, in chassis, in performance? Its hard to see it from here...

Axeman444 · 3 Nov 2010, 04:41 (Ref:2784288)

does JD sponsor #11?

thunderbolt · 3 Nov 2010, 06:26 (Ref:2784297)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeman444

does JD sponsor #11?

2 years ago when larry perkins owned 7 and 11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Racing
Jason Bargwanna's #11 car is the car previously run by Todd Kelly in 2009 chassis number PE049

The Kelly's and Perkins swapped one of their racing numbers between themselves so that the Kelly owned licences could make use of the #7 racing number ?

dose Perkins still own the REC 7 and 11 or 11 and 15

MarcosAmbroseFan · 3 Nov 2010, 06:52 (Ref:2784300)

Kelly's=7 & 15
LP's=11 & 16

cavvy · 3 Nov 2010, 07:09 (Ref:2784304)

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderbolt

2 years ago when larry perkins owned 7 and 11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Racing
Jason Bargwanna's #11 car is the car previously run by Todd Kelly in 2009 chassis number PE049

The Kelly's and Perkins swapped one of their racing numbers between themselves so that the Kelly owned licences could make use of the #7 racing number ?

dose Perkins still own the REC 7 and 11 or 11 and 15

Is REC ownership relevant to the performance of Bargs #11 or the Krate #16?

**GTRMagic** · 3 Nov 2010, 07:17 (Ref:2784306)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavvy

Is REC ownership relevant to the performance of Bargs #11 or the Krate #16?

Well it may be a consideration also that the surname of the pilots of #11 and #16 are not Kelly....

Just Do It! · 3 Nov 2010, 21:59 (Ref:2784627)

And that LP seeks some remuneration/quasi-lease revenue from the two entry slots?

**GTRMagic** · 3 Nov 2010, 22:04 (Ref:2784632)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Do It!

And that LP seeks some remuneration/quasi-lease revenue from the two entry slots?

REC's for cars #11 and #16 are still controlled by a Perkins enterprise, presumably there is an income sharing arrangement in place with Kelly Racing for the REC income

Who knows, there may be a deal in place for KR to take these REC's over on a never never financing plan, funded by the REC income from VESA...

Just Do It! · 3 Nov 2010, 22:15 (Ref:2784637)

Isn't that what Tasman did with Ashby and Reed?

Axeman444 · 3 Nov 2010, 23:12 (Ref:2784657)

Quote:

Originally Posted by thunderbolt

2 years ago when larry perkins owned 7 and 11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Racing
Jason Bargwanna's #11 car is the car previously run by Todd Kelly in 2009 chassis number PE049

The Kelly's and Perkins swapped one of their racing numbers between themselves so that the Kelly owned licences could make use of the #7 racing number ?

dose Perkins still own the REC 7 and 11 or 11 and 15

i think you misunderstood my thoughts, GTR states that the #11 may be short on funds due to existing sponsorship by an alcohol brand, but it seems the only thing that #11 shares with the alcohol brnaded team (ie JDR, #7 & #15) is the garage wall...

**GTRMagic** · 3 Nov 2010, 23:49 (Ref:2784666)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeman444

i think you misunderstood my thoughts, GTR states that the #11 may be short on funds due to existing sponsorship by an alcohol brand, but it seems the only thing that #11 shares with the alcohol brnaded team (ie JDR, #7 & #15) is the garage wall...

More to the point that #11 does not appear to be receiving the same level of equipment as the #7 and #15 cars, in that budget restrictions in the KR side of the team (called out by the team as 'taking their time to get the new car right'...) means that the new chassis being built for Mr R.Kelly isnt done yet, so therefore Mr Bargwanna's car has not yet been updated to the ex-R.Kelly unit

This may not happen until 2011... if at all...

**GTRMagic** · 13 Mar 2011, 00:01 (Ref:2844752)

Article Here

Does water skiing make the Kelly Racing Commodores go faster?

Gaz170 · 13 Mar 2011, 03:34 (Ref:2844797)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Does water skiing make the Kelly Racing Commodores go faster?

Well it can't make it slower

rik · 31 Mar 2011, 13:56 (Ref:2856370)

Quote:

Originally Posted by davester

Is it true that neither Rick or Todd will even put a lap time on the Stratco #16 at a test day because they all know how slow it is? It's easier to cast doubt on the current driver than show sponsors that #16 may be a dog.

Well, as it happens Rick will be racing the old #16 Ricciardello banger at the next round in Hamilton.

http://www.speedcafe.com.au/2011/03/...spare-chassis/

Will be very interesting to see how he ranks against Murph, Todd and Reynolds in newer cars.

Chappelli · 31 Mar 2011, 21:15 (Ref:2856540)

I suspect although it's the same Chassis, it'll be sporting a raft of new gear on it.

Axeman444 · 31 Mar 2011, 22:40 (Ref:2856585)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chappelli

I suspect although it's the same Chassis, it'll be sporting a raft of new gear on it.

that would have never seen the light of day when the chassis ran as #16

DAVID PATERSON · 1 Apr 2011, 03:28 (Ref:2856635)

Interesting quote from R. Kelly...............

“I’m disappointed not to run my new car, but at the same time I’m quite excited to run in the older one and race it up front where it belongs.”

cavvy · 1 Apr 2011, 07:44 (Ref:2856666)

Any chance a compliant press might ask a hard question of Rick, e.g lifing of his gear v that Ricciardello ran.

Transparent spin Mr Kelly ...

**GTRMagic** · 1 Apr 2011, 07:48 (Ref:2856669)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavvy

Any chance a compliant press might ask a hard question of Rick, e.g lifing of his gear v that Ricciardello ran.

Transparent spin Mr Kelly ...

A new zero-km life engine of the latest specification will likely be the biggest improvement... maybe dampers of the same make and spec as the other 3 KR cars could help too...

It is surprising that Mr Kelly didnt assume one of the other team cars for the event though...

Axeman444 · 1 Apr 2011, 07:56 (Ref:2856673)

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavvy

Any chance a compliant press might ask a hard question of Rick, e.g lifing of his gear v that Ricciardello ran.

Transparent spin Mr Kelly ...

not in this day and age of brown nosing media

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

A new zero-km life engine of the latest specification will likely be the biggest improvement... maybe dampers of the same make and spec as the other 3 KR cars could help too...

It is surprising that Mr Kelly didnt assume one of the other team cars for the event though...

and risk everyone in the know saying "i told you so!!"?

rik · 1 Apr 2011, 12:10 (Ref:2856795)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

A new zero-km life engine of the latest specification will likely be the biggest improvement... maybe dampers of the same make and spec as the other 3 KR cars could help too...

So does that mean all four of the KR cars have a similar/same standard of parts in them this year? ie. can we judge results on driver performance rather than equipment?

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