Everything old is new again.....

pete60 · 10 Feb 2005, 12:59 (Ref:1221936)

Good to see that recycling is alive and well at HMS.

While new cars pop up all over the place ready for 2005 (think DJRx2, FPRx2, 888x2, SERx1, SBRx2, PMMx2, Tasmanx1 at least), the HMS teams don't have to worry about building new cars...they just swap cars amongst themselves every year.

According to Motorsport News, there is a new car #51 coming on stream for Todd Kelly. This allows a few HRT chassis to be handed on to KRT and Supercheap Auto Racing but some of the machinery those 2 teams have in the garage is positively ancient.

HRT will have
#51 built 2005
#50 built 2004
#45 built 2001 as a VX

KRT will have
#49 built 2003
#48 built 2003
#44 built 2001 as a VX
#43 built 2000 as a VT

SCAR wil have
#47 built 2002 as a VX
#46 built 2001 as a VX
#42 built 1999 as a VT
#41 built 1999 as a VT

Maybe some of the older cars will be sold off or retired to the museum for posterity but it just seems a little odd that Greg Murphy and Paul Weel are punting 4 and 5 year old cars, recent refits notwithstanding.

Guess if it ain't broke........

aj_308 · 10 Feb 2005, 21:35 (Ref:1222412)

i thought SBR were only building 1 new car?

Lowndesfan6 · 10 Feb 2005, 22:15 (Ref:1222470)

aj, I heard two new cars. One for Rusty to replace his old one handed down to Luffy and a new one for Marcos.
It's expected considering they've campaigned the current cars since the start of 03.

I personally think that they should hand down Marcos' old BA to Lowndes at 888.That'd sought out only having one Ford team at the front.
Why not, HRT have been doing it for years.
I always thought it was funny that Bright debuted a car at Winton for HRT in 2002 and got to take that exact chassis with him to Team Brock....PWR......Hmm, something fishy goin' on there.

Peregrine · 10 Feb 2005, 22:15 (Ref:1222471)

It is interesting that most of the front running cars tend to be older machines, and certainly Marcos has resisted the temptation to step into any of Ross and Jimmy's most recent offerings. It speaks volumes for fine tuning a known quantity than continually working with new untried combinations. The 18 degree Chev engine is a further example of this philosophy.....

SRabbit · 10 Feb 2005, 22:18 (Ref:1222474)

i read somewhere Marcos still doesnt want a new car - he wants to keep driving the one from last year albeit with a few tweaks, but that is his 2003 car - and the latest to come out of FPR with Mr Russell leaving is that they dont have any new cars for this year either

bartman71 · 10 Feb 2005, 22:29 (Ref:1222490)

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Originally Posted by SRabbit

i read somewhere Marcos still doesnt want a new car - he wants to keep driving the one from last year albeit with a few tweaks, but that is his 2003 car - and the latest to come out of FPR with Mr Russell leaving is that they dont have any new cars for this year either

i said this in another thread.
i was talking to th bestman in his wedding and that is what he said.
marcos has this car how he wants it and doesn't like the idea of getting a new car to the way he wants

Lowndesfan6 · 10 Feb 2005, 22:33 (Ref:1222494)

I don't blame Marcos at all for that.

I heard that FPR were hoping that their new in-house built car was supposed to be ready for Bright for the GP.
Maybe Russell got sacked for poor management and the inability to get his **** soughted out. C'mon the team's had two years to get it soughted. I never expected them to be world beaters straight out of the box but, it appears there not working very hard at it.
Lowndesie has even said to me one weekend, these guys have no idea.

aj_308 · 11 Feb 2005, 03:13 (Ref:1222633)

are fpr glenns old crew, or pommie imports?

Joe5619 · 11 Feb 2005, 05:39 (Ref:1222695)

Glen's 'old' crew would have only been 7-8 people out of the original 30-40 poeple FPR had at the start of 2003.. How any of those people are still?? I don't know.. I thought alot of '00' poeple come over to FPR at the start of 2003??

jaytor · 11 Feb 2005, 05:46 (Ref:1222698)

Well that explaines a lot then!

B!tchie Renault · 11 Feb 2005, 13:04 (Ref:1222927)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pete60

Good to see that recycling is alive and well at HMS.

While new cars pop up all over the place ready for 2005 (think DJRx2, FPRx2, 888x2, SERx1, SBRx2, PMMx2, Tasmanx1 at least), the HMS teams don't have to worry about building new cars...they just swap cars amongst themselves every year.

According to Motorsport News, there is a new car #51 coming on stream for Todd Kelly. This allows a few HRT chassis to be handed on to KRT and Supercheap Auto Racing but some of the machinery those 2 teams have in the garage is positively ancient.

HRT will have
#51 built 2005 (Aurora Engine)
#50 built 2004 (Aurora Engine)
#45 built 2001 as a VX (18 degree Chev. Engine)

KRT will have
#49 built 2003 (Aurora Engine)
#48 built 2003 (Aurora Engine)
#44 built 2001 as a VX (18 degree Chev. Engine)
#43 built 2000 as a VT (18 degree Chev. Engine)

SCAR wil have
#47 built 2002 as a VX (18 degree Chev. Engine)
#46 built 2001 as a VX (18 degree Chev. Engine)
#42 built 1999 as a VT (18 degree Chev. Engine)
#41 built 1999 as a VT (18 degree Chev. Engine)

Maybe some of the older cars will be sold off or retired to the museum for posterity but it just seems a little odd that Greg Murphy and Paul Weel are punting 4 and 5 year old cars, recent refits notwithstanding.

Guess if it ain't broke........

Hmm Dencar builds 2 cars on the odd years and 1 car on the even years. That's 3 cars in 2 years. To keep a full stock of 9 cars for the three teams (3 cars each) the oldest one will be about 6 years old. I think DENCAR need to put on more people. No wonder Kees Weel sold it back to the original owner. I think he needs to consider building his own.

Gaz170 · 12 Feb 2005, 00:21 (Ref:1223387)

Doesn't a chassis get "tired" after too long and flex a little too much?
I really cant see how a car built in 2000 would be competitive this year, even with re-fits.

1200Datto27 · 12 Feb 2005, 03:09 (Ref:1223431)

Wasn't Murphy running under 51 again this year? Or has he been moved to HRT?

cavvy · 12 Feb 2005, 04:04 (Ref:1223451)

Quote:

Originally Posted by B!tchie Renault

Hmm Dencar builds 2 cars on the odd years and 1 car on the even years. That's 3 cars in 2 years. To keep a full stock of 9 cars for the three teams (3 cars each) the oldest one will be about 6 years old. I think DENCAR need to put on more people. No wonder Kees Weel sold it back to the original owner. I think he needs to consider building his own.

Dencar build to order - there is not one skerrick of truth in your assertion B.R

Lowndesfan6 · 12 Feb 2005, 10:52 (Ref:1223591)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1200Datto27

Wasn't Murphy running under 51 again this year? Or has he been moved to HRT?

Murphy uses Car 51, not chassis 51.

With Tom back, TWRAus all over again.

1200Datto27 · 12 Feb 2005, 23:20 (Ref:1223981)

Ahh, I hadn't realised that it was chassis numbers, not car numbers being used.

**GTRMagic** · 13 Feb 2005, 00:34 (Ref:1224002)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz170

Doesn't a chassis get "tired" after too long and flex a little too much?
I really cant see how a car built in 2000 would be competitive this year, even with re-fits.

The Polarizers PB fitted when he was there aligned the molecules, and made the cars stronger, stiffer and more resilient after crashes than any other cars in the world.

Hell there has to be some reason for HRT to rebuild CL's Calder write off into PR2... when body shells come from Holden gratis....

Senna05 · 13 Feb 2005, 03:31 (Ref:1224053)

On that note, one would think the ammount of grief the PWR cars have suffered through Surfers and Bathurst, they would be very weak, contorted chassis's.

I don't care what anyone tells me, once a bit of metal is pulled out of shape, even if it appears straight, it will never be 100% straight.

pete55 · 13 Feb 2005, 06:15 (Ref:1224072)

I was told new cars could be out by the fair bit ( was told a figure but have forgotten what it is) on the stated measurements that they are supposed to come from the factory as. When these cars are built as race cars i would say the measurements would be bought into line with what they should be.

hoffy · 13 Feb 2005, 07:04 (Ref:1224079)

but how do they build a race car?

For sure the Panels would come out of the press shop, but do they actually get put together in the factory??.

This aint group c when all you did was buy an old cop car at auction, add a cage and voila, instant race car (OK, not quite, but you get the picture)

**GTRMagic** · 13 Feb 2005, 07:13 (Ref:1224084)

They build the cage, then build the body shell around it.... all coming to the teams in a HMS kit form, like a mega meccano set...

I too would think that a car that has been crashed would have a level of strength removed....

pete55 · 13 Feb 2005, 07:14 (Ref:1224085)

The shell is bought from the factory and goes to either the chassis builder or the team. The chassis is aligned and the rollcage fitted and other brackets added for suspension etc and then the panels are added later.

aj_308 · 13 Feb 2005, 21:03 (Ref:1224595)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The Polarizers PB fitted when he was there aligned the molecules, and made the cars stronger, stiffer and more resilient after crashes than any other cars in the world.

Hell there has to be some reason for HRT to rebuild CL's Calder write off into PR2... when body shells come from Holden gratis....

was this the car fitted with the controversial "petty bar"

contravening the rules, but allowed to stay for the "life" of the chassis?

lcfp2297 · 13 Feb 2005, 22:24 (Ref:1224659)

Lowndes Calder crash was in a VT...

The Bar car was a VS...

Raglanparade · 13 Feb 2005, 23:14 (Ref:1224692)

The VS that Murphy smashed at the Island ?