Don't attack Ferrari, says Sir Frank Williams

Kicking-back · 20 Jun 2005, 19:18 (Ref:1334955)

Super Tourer has kindly allowed a new thread on this important issue.

http://www.autosport-atlas.com/news.aspx?id=45130&s=5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Williams

"They were totally innocent in this affair entirely, they had no reason not to race."

BSchneiderFan · 20 Jun 2005, 19:21 (Ref:1334957)

I'm happy to go along with Sir Frank's judgement here. But I expect it will not affect the opinion of a lot of instinctive Ferrari-haters.

ralf fan · 20 Jun 2005, 19:23 (Ref:1334961)

As usual a very fair assesment by SFW!

Kicking-back · 20 Jun 2005, 19:25 (Ref:1334968)

Indeed.

I don't think any team will "blame" Ferrari for racing, unlike some of the more rabid "fans".

Mr V · 20 Jun 2005, 19:28 (Ref:1334974)

No one should be blaming Ferrari.

beau1 · 20 Jun 2005, 19:44 (Ref:1335001)

no one should should blame Ferrari but no doubtly people would. take the American fans for instance at the track. they were throwing things on to the track one of which nearly hit Rubens Barrichello i know they were angry but it was the wrong decision.

LampCord · 20 Jun 2005, 19:45 (Ref:1335004)

You guys just don't get it. Its all Ferrari's fault.

How dare they show up with adequate equipment and actually take the track on race day?

Clearly, this whole thing was orchestrated by Ferrari. They paid off Michelin to send bad tires then they paid off the FIA to not use a chicane.

Those evil monsters!

beau1 · 20 Jun 2005, 19:50 (Ref:1335007)

Quote:

Originally Posted by LampCord

You guys just don't get it. Its all Ferrari's fault.

How dare they show up with adequate equipment and actually take the track on race day?

Clearly, this whole thing was orchestrated by Ferrari. They paid off Michelin to send bad tires then they paid off the FIA to not use a chicane.

Those evil monsters!

nice conspiracy that

but the wrong one

Hazard · 20 Jun 2005, 19:54 (Ref:1335010)

Quote:

Originally Posted by LampCord

You guys just don't get it. Its all Ferrari's fault.

How dare they show up with adequate equipment and actually take the track on race day?

Clearly, this whole thing was orchestrated by Ferrari. They paid off Michelin to send bad tires then they paid off the FIA to not use a chicane.

Those evil monsters!

My god, how did you find out! Shhhh.

Okay, seriously...duh, I'm not even reading into the 'it's Ferrari's fault' idea, it clearly isn't...nothing short of a head injury is going to convince me otherwise.

It's good one of the most sensible team owners has stepped forward and put the world to rights...lesser managers would not have done (no names).

eatapc · 20 Jun 2005, 20:29 (Ref:1335053)

Quote:

Originally Posted by beau1

no one should should blame Ferrari but no doubtly people would. take the American fans for instance at the track. they were throwing things on to the track one of which nearly hit Rubens Barrichello....

First of all, fans come from all over the world to watch the race -- particularly Mexico, Central and South America. Lot's of Canadians, too. The people who threw things, I would guess, weren't all Americans. Further, I don't think a beer launched in the direction of Parc Ferme after the race was a protest against Rubens or Ferrari. It was probably just an idiotic reaction to the generally frustrating farce.

Kempi · 20 Jun 2005, 20:53 (Ref:1335087)

There was one thrown right at the two Ferraris while they were entering T1 during the race, though. Even though they had braked to turn in speed, that speed prolly is still well over 150km/h and it could have very nasty consequences if you get hit by a can at that speed.

Knowlesy · 20 Jun 2005, 21:17 (Ref:1335108)

Nobody blames Ferrari, they took a decision that was fine.

First Michelin take the blame for the initial problem.

Then the FIA take even more for being so idiotic and not being able to make a common sense decision.

BSchneiderFan · 20 Jun 2005, 21:28 (Ref:1335120)

Quote:

Originally Posted by knowlesy

Nobody blames Ferrari, they took a decision that was fine.

Oh, but they do, Knowlesy, they do.

Kicking-back · 20 Jun 2005, 21:29 (Ref:1335122)

Quote:

Originally Posted by knowlesy

Then the FIA take even more for being so idiotic and not being able to make a common sense decision.

They did make a common sense decision, they enforced the rules. Fairly.

pitcrew · 20 Jun 2005, 21:37 (Ref:1335132)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

I'm happy to go along with Sir Frank's judgement here. But I expect it will not affect the opinion of a lot of instinctive Ferrari-haters.

words from my mouth, I agree.
will be a great loss to F1 if Sir Frank wasn't keeping up the standards

ASCII Man · 20 Jun 2005, 21:38 (Ref:1335133)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Oh, but they do, Knowlesy, they do.

Like who?

avsfan733 · 20 Jun 2005, 22:38 (Ref:1335221)

Quote:

Originally Posted by knowlesy

Then the FIA take even more for being so idiotic and not being able to make a common sense decision.

o yes exactly...how dare they enforce the rules of the sport. If brazil showed up to the next world cup with a team of one legged blind midgets should everyone else have to play blindfolded on their knees also just for sport?

Pitstop · 20 Jun 2005, 22:42 (Ref:1335231)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Oh, but they do, Knowlesy, they do.

And they will Knowsley, they will.

If the sun fell out of the sky tomorrow, some fans would say it was Ferrari's fault.

Sir Frank Williams is experienced and chavvy enough to know better.

BSchneiderFan · 20 Jun 2005, 23:02 (Ref:1335256)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Like who?

You just need to read the Indy thread on this board to see the anti-Ferrari claptrap being wheeled out.

Menelaos · 20 Jun 2005, 23:29 (Ref:1335287)

Of course it's not Ferrari's fault. The only thing I didn't like about their behavior was that Todt didn't agree nor disagree. I think he HAD to say something. But apart from that, it's obviously NOT Ferrari who are to blame. For the bad result for Michelin teams --> Michelin's fault. For no race --> FIA's fault.

Kicking-back · 21 Jun 2005, 05:51 (Ref:1335461)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitstop

Sir Frank Williams is experienced and chavvy enough to know better.

I assume you mean "savvy".

Unless he's taken to wearing fake burberry and drinking cheap cider in the park.

BSchneiderFan · 21 Jun 2005, 08:44 (Ref:1335564)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

I assume you mean "savvy".

Unless he's taken to wearing fake burberry and drinking cheap cider in the park.

Brilliant mental image!

"Sir Frank, were you pleased with the team's performance today?"

"Yeah, but no, but yeah, but..."

Pitstop · 21 Jun 2005, 10:33 (Ref:1335645)

"Yeah, but no, but yeah, but... yeah" I meant 'savvy'!!!

It does conjure up a brilliant mental image though and we could all do with a giggle right now!!

alfasud · 21 Jun 2005, 10:52 (Ref:1335661)

All I can read is....

Quote:

Originally Posted by autosport-atlas.com

Team principal Frank Williams believes World Champions Ferrari were completely innocent in the United States Grand Prix fiasco.

Can't really argue with that... is there anything else worth reading on the subject?

Think I used to have a password for autosport, but must have lost it amoung the 56,863 other sites I seem to need a login to read these days.

Gil Abobeleira · 21 Jun 2005, 11:11 (Ref:1335680)

Congratulation to Sir Frank to speak out his opinion. I wonder what will he, Patrick Head, Ron Dennis and the like have to say about this whole scam in some years time when they are retired

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