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4 Mar 2015, 01:35 (Ref:3511436) | #1 | |
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F1 Redesign Challenge
As you all well know, some F1 tracks are, less than popular. So, I thought why not have us all redesign the F1 tracks as they roll out onto the calendar. Therefore, from now through the 15th we would make any 'corrections' needed to Albert Park, then from then to the next race date, we would do the next track, and so forth.
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4 Mar 2015, 09:38 (Ref:3511562) | #2 | |
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You might be interested in this thread http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121337 on a redesign of Losail, which is quite a Mickey Mouse Course as it is.
I have my own suggestions for fixing the "dud in the desert": Turn 3 needs to be removed to lengthen the straight to promote overtaking into Turn 4. So Turn 2 moves closer to Turn 1 and becomes a little tighter. The hairpin, Turn 6 gets bypassed completely, as there will be a straight from Turn 4, heading on towards Turn 7. And after Turn 7, the track also will head straight on towards the parabolica type of corner, avoiding to swerve to the left. That's making it a simpler track but this is meant to be conducive for more racing action. Also, you could remove both Turns 2 and 3: through this, Turn 1 would become a corner that is two-wide which would enable overtaking through drafting (like you'd have at the first corners of Dijon or Watkins Glen or at Silverstone's Copse Corner). That would be pretty exciting. Though it maybe not for this circuit because so far, it is the prime overtaking spot. |
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5 Mar 2015, 00:05 (Ref:3511850) | #3 | |
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AoB Albert Park
Did some F1 2014 laps, Marussia dry and wet as well as Mercedes dry and wet to be specific, and made corrections based on that testing. Clark corner could stand to be sharper, I know.
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There are some parts of this circuit which really annoy me. I have been a bit punchy with my changes, wiping out entirely the chicane at the start of the 2nd sector, and smoothing of the original turn 15.
These changes make the new turn 6 a massively fast corner and the new highlight of the lap, with changes to runoff an absolute must. A new tighter turn 8 will slow turn 7 slightly and help the flow of the circuit. The old turn 15 is the most annoying part of the circuit, in my opinion, and smoothing it creates a more flowing section of corners for a better run onto the s/f straight. The pitlane would split from the outside of the new turn 13. In addition to these changes to circuit layout I would also improve kerbing around the track, especially adding more corner entry and exit kerbing. I uploaded old/new configs so you can flick between the two to see the differences more clearly. Any thoughts? Different ideas? |
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5 Mar 2015, 16:06 (Ref:3512122) | #5 | ||
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Also, T14 might be a bit awkward with the new approach. I'd say realign it into something of an slight S curve. |
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This is easy to do with gmap-pedometer. Not much needs changing, IMO, possibly the final sector so the current turn 15 is a better opportunity and to make better use of the back straight, as noted here, but that's a "nice to have".
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11 Mar 2015, 12:53 (Ref:3514102) | #7 | ||
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My redesign. Reprofiled Turns 4, 9, 10 and 11. New section added to replace Turns 15 and 16. New length 3.75mi
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25 Mar 2015, 13:00 (Ref:3519353) | #8 | |
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Sepang has developed some issues related to the lower front downforce of the 2014-rule spec cars. I'd estimate an increase of .06 mi. to the length.
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4 Apr 2015, 09:56 (Ref:3523699) | #9 | |
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Why does it remind me of the old Assen?
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16 Apr 2015, 13:43 (Ref:3527933) | #11 | |
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Ahead of Bahrain, here's its elevation map (ft. AMSL):
NB the graph starts at the exit of the final corner, not the S/F line. |
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18 Apr 2015, 02:12 (Ref:3528412) | #12 | |
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New Bahrain: note the all new 14-15-16 complex, which is mainly on a downhill.
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8 May 2015, 15:04 (Ref:3535537) | #13 | |
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Not much love for MotoGP in this edit.
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The reason for the final chicane being installed at Barcelona is to cut speeds for the final corner..
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10 Jun 2015, 19:20 (Ref:3547053) | #15 | |
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Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
P.S. The chicane at Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya was added to create overtaking which had previously been possible by drafting down the straight but wasn't anymore due to new aerodynamics.
I forgot to post the Canadian track before the race, and I skipped Monaco to avoid controversy; however, the track has but two changes. T9 is more open and I moved the whole of the final chicane (including the Quebec Wall) back to provide a safer pit-in (Grosjean and Stevens had something of a good demonstration of the necessity of the modification). [Original included for comparison] |
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22 Jun 2015, 00:47 (Ref:3552869) | #16 | |
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I'm miserable at getting things done on time, it seems.
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23 Jun 2015, 17:47 (Ref:3553404) | #18 | |
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RBR slows the course; odd, but it does. Counter-intuitive though it may seem, pulling it up speed the course up onto the main straight and makes room to move the stands around
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Anyway, I looked back at the other circuits and the work I'd done, and because a lot of the complaint about F1 is the sameness of so many tracks set-up wise, I decided to go the other route and make Hungary more technical. Paint didn't do justice to the new T12-16 complex I envisioned, but it's good enough I suppose. |
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I'm sure they probably tried to put the overtaking spin on it, but it was definitely essentially down to the cornering speeds for the final turn, and the lack of run-off there. Selby |
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5 Jul 2015, 00:59 (Ref:3555838) | #22 | |
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removed some sections to promote lower downforce settings and get some faster absolute speed at Silverstone. It was an airfield after all.
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I'm not opposed to being controversial. It's not like a have a reputation to uphold! So, here's my minor improvements to Monza. I like the idea of the T1/2 chicane, but it's just too tight. A 90-degree turn that is approximately one car length long before a 120-degree turn the other way? Why not use the short-cut already built in and soften the chicane a bit. Also, I don't like the exit to the Parabolica. It ends on a straight that isn't lined up with the main straight. A little funky and hard to navigate sometimes, so I widened the curve so the exit does line up with the main straight.
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Reducing the angle increases the apex speeds, T1 would become a higher speed with T2 becoming the squeeze point, with only 2m of gravel on the outside for what would be likely to be over 120 mile per hour section.
It also of course removes one of the overtaking places Also the kerb where it is on the exit of the parabolica marks a track width away from the pit lane opening. If you follow the outside kerb as the racing line, the speed differential of someone having to pull a long way right to the pitlane you'd be as well creating a separate set of corners to get to the pit lane entrance. Remember the pit wall is in alignment to the banking not the current F1 circuit. Last edited by ScotsBrutesFan; 23 Dec 2015 at 23:34. |
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Ahh...I did not realize that about the pit lane wall. It makes sense now looking closer at it. They were just trying to run out of Parabolica, crossing over the Oval, and later lining up to the original track outside the approach to the Oval. Is the current pit lane on the old line for the Oval? Or is it set back from that as well? |
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