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Old 31 Jul 2006, 15:41   #1
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New European "NASCAR" series: „American Stock Cars Europe“

Former F1 and sportscar driver Jochen Mass is planning to start a new oval series in Europe:
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In der Pre Race Show beim Eastside 100 auf dem Eurospeedway Lausitz bewegte Jochen Mass wie angekündigt einen nagelneuen Dodge Charger, wie er auch im NASCAR Nextel Cup zum Einsatz kommt. Das Stock Car auf Basis eines Road Course Chassis mit Superspeedway Reifen war in Dodge Werks Farben lackiert.

Ebenfalls will Jochen Mass mit diesen Fahrzeugen eine Serie namens „American Stock Cars Europe“ gründen, welche nächstes Jahr schon durchstarten soll unter der Flagge der FIA. Der Kostenpunkt für die rennbereiten Boliden soll bei 140.000 Euro liegen, während bereits 23 Fahrzeuge in den USA wohl bereit stehen.
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Die Interessenten kommen allerdings hauptsächlich aus Skandinavien, England und den Niederlanden. Zur Zeit sieht es aus, als sollten Rennen am Eurospeedway Lausitz, Rockingham, Hockenheim und Silverstone sowie neu gebauten Ovalen in Spanien und der Niederlande statt finden. Bei dem Oval in den Niederlanden handelt es sich nach ersten Angaben um kein geringeres als Venray, welches bald umgebaut wird zu einer größeren Strecke. Als Unterbau soll die SCSA sowie die BRL gelten. Als TV Partner soll Eurosport die Rennen live übertragen, inklusive weiterer Zusammenfassungen in Deutschland ersten Informationen zufolge.
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Source: www.stockcar-news.de

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In the pre race show of the Eastside 100 [= German F3 Cup] at the Eurospeedway Lausitz Jochen Mass drove a brand-new Dodge Charger, which is also used in the NASCAR Nextel Cup. This car is based on a road course chassis with superspeedway tires and painted in Dodge factory colors. With these cars Mass wants to create a series named "American Stock Cars Europe", it's planned to start next year under the flag of FIA. A race ready car will cost around 140,000 Euro and 23 cars are already waiting in the USA.
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There's mainly interest from customers in Scandinavia, UK and Holland. At the moment it looks if there will be races at Eurospeedway Lausitz, Rockingham, Hockenheim and Silverstone as well on new ovals in Spain and Holland. The current oval at Venray in Holland will shortly replaced by a new and bigger one. As support series SCSA and BRL are considered. TV partner Eurosport will do live TV coverage.
So far oval racing wasn't a succes in Europe so I am curious if this series will get of the ground. If i.e. Dodge and Toyota (Lexus) will support this series it can work. The cars are already available in the US (no development costs). They only have to spend money on promotion and maybe support of teams (technical and/or financial). There were rumours Lexus would enter DTM or WTCC but according some German websites they will not. Why not European "NASCAR"? This year the Dodge brand was relaunched in Europe so they can use some promotion. Dodge is also rumoured to enter WTCC next year, but why not "NASCAR"?

I think by European drivers there would be a lott of interest in a professional oval series. I am sure Dutch drivers like Patrick Huisman, Duncan Huisman (both have expressed their interested in NASCAR) and Michel Vergers (has already a lott US & UK oval experience) would be very interested.

In the German article they speak about live coverage by Eurosport, but I have my doubts about that because Eurosport is already organiser of the WTCC.
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Old 31 Jul 2006, 22:52   #2
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another comment

Possibly a method of `recycling' obsolete NA$CAR vehicles as "The Car of Tomorow" comes on line?
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Interesting news, and it will certainly be something to keep an eye on (i.e. seeing if it actually comes to fruition).

I am not convinced this style of racing will ever be that popular in Europe, but, then, I suppose, there is a first time for everything.

Is that other stock car series still running in Europe? I cannot remember what it was/is called...used to watch a few rounds of it...had Plato and stuff in it for a bit.

Hmmm....

I wonder if NASCAR itself would be interested in getting identified with it? I don't mean in any "official" capacity (i.e. regulatory or partnership), but rather so that those who see this in Europe will see the NASCAR name.

I am thinking something like NASCAR advertising boarding. Just it is a way, should it become popular, for NASCAR itself to get some expanded interest.

Having said that, though, perhaps it is better to hope not. Such involvement may cause a negative reaction? I am thinking in terms of people in Europe then thinking it is a NASCAR product, thus ignoring it for that reason?

Right, I am rambling...so, hmm, I will stop.
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I wonder if NASCAR itself would be interested in getting identified with it?
No, they don´t want to support the series in the beginning.
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Will never happen with cars priced at that.
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If SCSA is struggleing how will this do any better?
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140,000 Euros! Anyone want to by my Banjo Mathews IROC chassis for lets say 50,000, its a bargain and save me a rebuild job, wack a different body on it and you are away! :-)

Joking aside the price is silly but this is what should have happened with ASCAR years ago and I have been banging on about.
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Al, Jon Higgins car is in Short Circuit for £10,000 plus vat and that seems a bargin to me.
I know you have been interested in going oval for a while and i would love to be part of a team involved in this...............
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I was a big fan of ASCAR. It was good. I liked it when they raced at Rockingham and Lausitz.
As we know there is plans for a track in Spain and they could use the planned half mile track at Silverstone if that ever comes to life as mentioned. I remember ASCAR nka SCSA attracted Colin Mcrae and Jason Plato...
I always wished ASCAR raced on the Brands Hatch Indy circuit...Is SCSA still alive?
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That's the point. No one knows anymore. Around 2-3-4 years a go it had huge crowds big marketing had good TV coverge now its dying.
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That's the point. No one knows anymore. Around 2-3-4 years a go it had huge crowds big marketing had good TV coverge now its dying.
I think that is the problem with the SCSA at the moment, in that no one wants to or can't promote it to a wider audience. Given that the race meetings seem to be quite weak, with not many races and poor grids (I believe that only the Pick Ups and Uniroyal Fun Cup have been able to muster grids above 15 cars - although this will probably change with the Formula Fords and GTs) it is perhaps not surprising that spectators who regularly attend race meetings chose to go elsewhere. Therefore SCSA is left in a difficult situation in that it needs support, but the actual product available isn't strong enough to attract it. That said, if a way could be found to rectify this situation and perhaps combined with some of the innovations outlined by ss_collins then the Rockingham events could become exceedingly popular again.
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I was a big fan of ASCAR. It was good. I liked it when they raced at Rockingham and Lausitz.
As we know there is plans for a track in Spain and they could use the planned half mile track at Silverstone if that ever comes to life as mentioned. I remember ASCAR nka SCSA attracted Colin Mcrae and Jason Plato...
I always wished ASCAR raced on the Brands Hatch Indy circuit...Is SCSA still alive?
It only attracted Plato and Mcrae et al because they were paid big appearance money to be there. When the money ran out, sadly, so did the big name stars and the after race rock concerts etc.

Its a real shame but I think that the US style cars are a big problem and the fact that it only runs at one place. Can European style bodies be fitted - BMW 5 series, Audi A6/A8, Jaguar, VW Phaeton etc etc? Would running closely on the oval result in aero problems if there were different body styles?

Somebody tell me, would it be possible to run the SCSA cars on short track ovals, or on the Mallory mile? And possibly in a multi class format with the VSRV6/V8/Super Silhouettes or similar?

The series needs to be "europeanised" and needs to go on the road (by that I mean around the country, not on road courses)
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only just - 9 cars or something.

I saw Mass demoing the Dodge at Eurospeedway - nice but it would only work with 30 - 40 of them - something SCSA has always lacked. Cars are overpriced and not good value for it. Another problem is that the car shapes are pretty meaningless in the EU, Ford Taurus, Dodge Charger and Chevrolet thingy none of which are on sale here. A WTCC or BTC oval race could be a lot of fun. But the best oval in these parts racing is still the NHRPA with its recognisable silohettes.

Rockingham needs a new top formula - SCSA needs to be dropped or drastically altered. Its race meetings need to be busier.

Things I'd like to see at Rockingham

An annual F3 race with large prize fun and lots of razzmatazz (see Eastside 100)

A single seater oval formula, good looking cars but affordable (perhaps reworked FPA or FRockingham)

SCSA being dropped or races shortened by a half - not being promoted as premier series.

Pickups remain great as they are

Baby grands?

Things I'd like to see at Eurospeedway

a German Pickup series (same cars same rules but all in Germany for German teams)

Eastside 100 getting proper promotion

A single seater oval formula, good looking cars but affordable (perhaps reworked FPA or FRockingham)

German Baby Grands

for both - an annual Oval challenge where all the series go to one or the other and take each other on.
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