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he was a major advocate of FTA though so I guess not all was bad about him It seems like he's got his hands full with the Gold Coast Suns at the moment though. Would Newcastle survive a TC return? |
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So if Fox Sports bought the series, they don't have to pay themselves for the next round of tv rights ?
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on the positive site, brought us the Clipsal 500. made the bathurst 1000 bigger, brought us the townsville event |
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Just for correction, he helped start a new race in competition to the Bathurst 1000, and this new race in 2016 was bigger than the 1996 Bathurst 1000.... no reason to think the 2016 Bathurst 1000 wouldn't have been as big as the 2016 Supercheap Auto 1000 was though if unfettled... I guess we'll never know?
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clearly there was a dispute, both sides have just as much claim mature people accept both |
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but lets assume you are right, then that makes TC even more awesome to create such an awesome event in less than a year, anothe reason we would want him back |
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It was a great effort to get IMG to back a brand new race, to get the mayor & the council to partly breakaway from a 35 year partnership with the ARDC & Ch7 to let a competitor race on the same track, over the same distance, two weeks after the traditional event. |
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It was easy to convince the mayor because they knew the ARDC run event was poison. What do the ARDC and Ryan Walkinshaw have in common, they both gave away the goose that laid the golden egg through poor performance |
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I'm with 155 all the way here, it's always been ridiculous i've thought to link the two, in reality very different, events.
Given the effort AVESCO at the time went to to get away from the traditional event, it's amazing the efforts that have gone on in the last 10-15 years to link them both. There is $$$ in "heritage" these days though....even if it's not yours. Quote:
The opening passage in the Chevron's 1997 "The Great Race" annual sums the whole thing up quite well. It should be pointed out that in 1997 Peter Brock said he couldn't win his tenth in that years V8 enduro, and Tony Cochrane was even quoted at one point saying that their Bathurst was developing their own traditions for their own race. Quote:
The council backing the V8 event, while retaining their interest in the traditional race, was more to do with the council doing what it should do, putting the region first. A second race, which was always going to attract big numbers, would benefit the town and the businesses. That had to come first. Quote:
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sorry, got lost. Are you/or were you a member of the ARDC? Sorry i will trust Bill Tuckey on this one in The official history of The Great Race Bathurst : 50 years. Check |
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History shows they havent held a new event, they run the same event with the same traditions. they were forced to break tradition by a bunch of people who got themselves in a partnership with the devil(media company) and ruined a great long weekend |
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anyway off topic, argument wont be settled by any discussion. Hasnt been in 20 years of debating it so far. the side that lost are still bitter
TC is no longer a director of SEL, he wont be back, thats the key bit. But even if he was, he has shown he can create some excellent events like Clipsal, Townsville (and bathurst 1000 according to ARDC members) |
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As an example, do the organisers of the Hi Tec Oils Bathurst 6hr claim Ian & Leo Geoghegan as winners of their event? One of the best twists i've heard, interesting take on things. |
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There is a saying history is written by the winners and that is definitely the case here.To say that the AVESCO race is not related to the line of Bathurst events is patently ridiculous.To discount the history of any sports event any time there is a change of organiser,TVs network or even competitor base does not happen.Even World Series Cricket Supertests are now considered as first class matches in cricket records.The best way of looking at this is that there were 2 races in 97 and 98.
History lesson.In 94 the ARDC,7 network and Bathurst Council formed the Bathurst Consortium to promote racing at Bathurst.The council retained the right to allow 1 meeting a year outside the consortium a clause that had its origins in the Easter motor cycle races.The ARDC could not negotiate with AVESCO and 10 because it was bound by the consortium.The ARDC signed onto the consortium as a way of getting an ATCC round at the track which turned out to be a financial disaster.The whole process was naive at best.If the ARDC was not bound by the consortium they may have done a deal with AVESCO but there certainly would have been no Super Touring 1000. |
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Apart from those who still have a chip on their shoulder from a war won and run nearly 20 years ago, think most people consider the Bathurst 500/1000 to be an event that has occurred annually since 1963 with 2 events held in parallel in 97/98. I think even the most ardent ARDC supporter would agree that the 1999 500km event was just a pale imitation.
A win in either is judged equally in the history book. Jim Richards is recognised universally as a 7 times winner including his 98 Volvo win and Larry Perkins as a 6 time winner with his 97 V8 win. The biggest faux pas out of the whole war was allowing the NRL to flex its muscles and claim the traditional NSW October long weekend slot for its grand final. I'm sure many spectators preferred to stay over and cruise home on the Monday rather than drive back to Sydney on a school night. |
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You do realise that Mr Tuckey did not write anything in that book post the chapter on the 1980 race.
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To me that indicates the end of one event, and the overlapping start of another one. They were two different sporting events. The whole way the firstly IMG and now Supercars run 1000 is run is for completely different purposes to that of which the original race was run. All they shared in common was a race distance and competitor base. Quote:
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The stumbling block (publically) was played out around TV deal.... AVESCO said they'd only race on the Long Weekend with Channel 10...so basically they wanted the Bathurst 1000 to break their contract, so AVESCO didn't have to break their contract... Of course in an interview in 2012 on V8 Insiders, Tony Cochrane made a comment about the teams laughing in 1996 when he suggested they should take over Bathurst, so did AVESCO ever really have any intention of working with the traditional event? It would have been interesting to see what the landscape of motorsport would have been like if there was already a second successful event at Bathurst still going in the 1996/97 period (eg...had the 12hr kept on going) and there was no weekend available for the AVESCO 1000 to take place on. |
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So do we see a sale going anywhere?
What would be the benefits of a Fox Sports buy-in? What would be the benefits of SEL buying back in (without Mr Cochrane's involvement, as peckstar has indicated he isn't with that business these days) People are allowed to not criticise the ARDC without being a club member. Not everyone shares your vendetta against the club. Quote:
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The reality is, for a time history shows that we had two races a year, and that each entity is equally entitled to the history of the concept. |
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