sports sedans in 2009

kowalski the lone driver · 6 Mar 2009, 10:30 (Ref:2410211)

whats going on? are we gunna have some big grids? any fujitsu or cup car rejects going to upgrade themselves to a better category?

profi · 6 Mar 2009, 10:43 (Ref:2410218)

seems to be a lot of new cars being built. From what ive heard sports sedan grid numbers will grow to a healthy size over the next couple of years.

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cup car

If your referring to porches there not allowed to run.

speedraced04 · 6 Mar 2009, 12:18 (Ref:2410306)

how come porsches arent able to run, im not familiar with the SS rules

on a side note, whatever happened to dean randle? seems to have dropped off the face of the earth

mildura1963 · 6 Mar 2009, 22:09 (Ref:2410636)

Can't wait to see the new Aston Martin SS...

profi · 7 Mar 2009, 01:16 (Ref:2410729)

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Originally Posted by speedraced04

how come porsches arent able to run, im not familiar with the SS rules

on a side note, whatever happened to dean randle? seems to have dropped off the face of the earth

You arnt allowed to have a rear engined car even if it come from the factory that way. But you can run a front engined porsche.

Dean has been building a new SAAB, underneath very similar to hossacks car.

Dasher · 7 Mar 2009, 04:12 (Ref:2410785)

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Originally Posted by speedraced04

how come porsches arent able to run, im not familiar with the SS rules

on a side note, whatever happened to dean randle? seems to have dropped off the face of the earth

Dean has been building a new car to keep up with Hossack's Audi (what a weapon) which should debut this season.

sorry profi missed your posting before i posted.

Silver 3 · 7 Mar 2009, 04:18 (Ref:2410787)

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Originally Posted by speedraced04

how come porsches arent able to run, im not familiar with the SS rules

on a side note, whatever happened to dean randle? seems to have dropped off the face of the earth

The Porsche's are too fast -- so like all categories the existing owners are very defensive about their patch .

speedraced04 · 7 Mar 2009, 06:36 (Ref:2410812)

thanks for the answers guys

**GTRMagic** · 7 Mar 2009, 06:49 (Ref:2410817)

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Originally Posted by profi

You arnt allowed to have a rear engined car even if it come from the factory that way. But you can run a front engined porsche.

Dean has been building a new SAAB, underneath very similar to hossacks car.

Didnt the 935 run in the Sports Sedan class many moons ago?

Silver 3 · 7 Mar 2009, 06:52 (Ref:2410818)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Didnt the 935 run in the Sports Sedan class many moons ago?

Yes, it used to smack them-- hence they banned Porsche ever since.

Tourer · 7 Mar 2009, 07:23 (Ref:2410826)

Yep - it was when the GT and Sports Sedans were run as one championship (now, that's an idea).

The 935s were run as GT cars, not sports sedans.

935 spanked them (did have the just returned from F1 former world champion driving of course). Even Rusty French managed to get his up near the front at times so they were a very quick thing by the standard of the day.

Tourer · 7 Mar 2009, 07:25 (Ref:2410828)

Sorry - double post

profi · 7 Mar 2009, 08:16 (Ref:2410846)

there is a porche being built as a sports sedan on victoria.

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The Porsche's are too fast -- so like all categories the existing owners are very defensive about their patch .

Porsche cup car would never keep up with a sports sedan,
and are heaps more expensive!!!!!!!!

There for dentists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Silver 3 · 7 Mar 2009, 22:27 (Ref:2411226)

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Originally Posted by profi

there is a porche being built as a sports sedan on victoria.

Porsche cup car would never keep up with a sports sedan,
and are heaps more expensive!!!!!!!!

There for dentists !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well there would be nothing for them to worry about then would there.Certainly the front running SS are fantastic cars but they fall away fairly quickly outside the top few of the top National cars .At state level I would have my money on a Porsche.

mildura1963 · 7 Mar 2009, 23:57 (Ref:2411279)

I remember Peter Fizgerald used to run a Porsche S/S at Amaroo bank in the 80's.

Green Hornet · 8 Mar 2009, 00:22 (Ref:2411284)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Yep - it was when the GT and Sports Sedans were run as one championship (now, that's an idea).

The 935s were run as GT cars, not sports sedans.

935 spanked them (did have the just returned from F1 former world champion driving of course). Even Rusty French managed to get his up near the front at times so they were a very quick thing by the standard of the day.

Spanked them? Don't you remember a certain Monza with a Aussie touring car standout aboard, sailing past that former F1 legend in his own lunch on the back straight of Sandown, like the blown beetle was nailed to the horse railing!

Green Hornet · 8 Mar 2009, 00:23 (Ref:2411285)

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Originally Posted by mildura1963

I remember Peter Fizgerald used to run a Porsche S/S at Amaroo bank in the 80's.

and beaten more times than not by the Bob Stevens' Monaro

Tourer · 8 Mar 2009, 01:50 (Ref:2411307)

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Originally Posted by Green Hornet

Spanked them? Don't you remember a certain Monza with a Aussie touring car standout aboard, sailing past that former F1 legend in his own lunch on the back straight of Sandown, like the blown beetle was nailed to the horse railing!

Only vaguely tbh (long time ago now of course) - some sort of mech fault in the beetle as I recall.

No Sandown round in the series though (may have been a non championship thing) and the beetle clean sweeped the series - won every round.

Personally, I preferred the Monza as a machine at the time - still do but the beetle spanked them in the series - winning every round could only be described that way to my way of thinking.

racer69 · 8 Mar 2009, 01:55 (Ref:2411309)

Do the cars that the Sports Sedans are based on still need to be classed as a 'touring car'??

Wasn't a Montorosso proposal for an MR2 body a few years back rejected on these grounds? If so, how does an Aston Martin fit?

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Originally Posted by Green Hornet

Spanked them? Don't you remember a certain Monza with a Aussie touring car standout aboard, sailing past that former F1 legend in his own lunch on the back straight of Sandown, like the blown beetle was nailed to the horse railing!

Jones still went through the whole season unbeaten though

Silver 3 · 8 Mar 2009, 02:01 (Ref:2411312)

When did they invent the idea of excluding the rear engined Porsche?

racer69 · 8 Mar 2009, 02:12 (Ref:2411316)

In the late-70s the Porsche's were moved from Sports Sedans into Production Sports Cars, when they Australian Sportscar Championship moved to these regs.

In 1982 when the Sports Sedan Championship became a GT Championship (and the ASCC was run for Group A Sportscars, not production sportscars) they were allowed to compete as they were classed as GT cars. Circa-1986 the GT racing went back to being Sports Sedan racing (though there was no national title)

jd yort · 8 Mar 2009, 02:43 (Ref:2411328)

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Originally Posted by Silver 3

At state level I would have my money on a Porsche.

Not in NSW if Scott Butler was running. He was in the top 5 in 08 at Oran Park. One very quick car and still plenty of development. The Jackson Calibra and McCready 300ZX are also top NSW State competitors who I would think 7/10 would come out on top of a Porsche (the other 3 races would be DNF's due to mechanical failures, after all they are Sports Sedans....)..

profi · 8 Mar 2009, 03:22 (Ref:2411337)

In Vic a Porsche's wouldn't go to bad but in the next year or two the cars will get a lot faster with a big batch of quality new cars coming through.

Silver 3 · 8 Mar 2009, 05:42 (Ref:2411365)

You a making the incorrect presumption that GT2 could not be competetive.Porsche reliability and consistency with speed thereabouts would see it with a chance.It is the dumbness of our contrived categories that prevents cross entering -it would add interest to the racing.

profi · 8 Mar 2009, 05:50 (Ref:2411367)

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Originally Posted by Silver 3

You a making the incorrect presumption that GT2 could not be competetive.Porsche reliability and consistency with speed thereabouts would see it with a chance.It is the dumbness of our contrived categories that prevents cross entering -it would add interest to the racing.

I dont car who is racing as long as there is numbers.
then you can say i beat porsches regularly

The hare and the tortoise.

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