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My take on the two different pit lane incidents are as follows:
1 - Jostling for position on the way into the pits Exciting but foolhardy and if taken to extremes, could result in someone being barged off the circuit. The same thing could happen at any corner on the track (proper) and the situation should be judged and handled accordingly. The only people who potentially could suffer as a result of this would be the two drivers involved. (Totally off topic - That phrase has always led me to look for a slightly promiscuous lady known as Jocelyn Four Positions...) 2 - Wheel banging & driving side-by-side down the pitlane Totally foolhardy and potentially very dangerous, also putting the safety of many people not just the drivers at risk. This should never happen again and if it does, severe sanction should be taken against the people involved (and by that, I mean the drivers). I also think that (as this can be adjudged to have been 'the first time for this) it was correct for nothing other than a ticking off after the race was appropriate regarding each 'offence' on this occasion, but that it should be made clear to the drivers at the next meeting what action will be taken should this happen again. |
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I agree that both Hamilton and Vettel each deserved a repremand for their contribution to the pit lane incident. On the matter of Hamilton overtaking Vettel on the way into the pits I have watched the footage several times. Hamilton was clearly in front of Vettel, though Vettel was on the 'outside' of Hamilton from the moment they left the normal racing line to enter the pits. Hamilton of course had no way of knowing that the car following him was about to enter the pits on the same lap - only Vettel knew that. Vettel did not 'slip in' behind Hamilton to enter the pits but stayed along side him. I'm not saying Vettel was doing anything wrong, but if the pit lane entrance is a 'single lane' then maybe he should have slipped into single file behind Hamilton at that point as he was 'behind' Hamilton at that point. I guess as the Alonso/Massa situation provoked no response from the stewards this is a non-issure. |
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First everyone complains about no passing, then when there is, even though in an unorthodox way, people still complain!
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Why condone this sort of reckless behaviour in the pitlane, endangering the lives of not themselves, but many others that frequent that area? Wouldn't want F1 to turn into Nascar, right? |
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The other situation was 'off-track' overtaking when entering the pits, ahich as you say, is not in the pit lane. |
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I guess I see things differently then.
I come from a short track racing background, so that may explain some of my reasons, lol. |
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Indeed. The fact remains they were given a reprimand because what they did was dangerous, though many including myself feel it was way too lenient.
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I can agree that what they did was potentially dangerous, but in the event their actions caused no harm. But as said previously, I agree with the repremand. Had there been any more serious consequences to their actions then I would expect a tougher punishment.
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I don't know why bjohnsonsmith has suddenly become the barometer of what we can and cannot talk about, as most of his posts seem to centre on what HE is aware or not aware of; the forum does not have you at its centre. People can make statements for the general elightenment of some or all, or even just a statement, we are not here for you education alone.
I do not appreciate having the video link pulled, as Jeff Krosnoff's crash was deeply important to me and many others, and had a big affect on safety in American open-wheeler racing. The marshall, to be specific, was killed by the flying wheel, not the car itself. @Matt, as you probably know from US oval racing, the have been some massive shunts lately, like the Carl Edwards one. Although that one was intentional, some others aren't, like that Kenny Brack crash a few years back, where two indycars locked together. This unpredictable nature to open-wheeler crashes is part of what's being discussed here. Which leads to the question of, should drivers in open-wheelers be more circumspect, due to this risk of locking wheels, and back away from side by side battles when there are people in unprotected areas close nearby? The what if factor? Secondly, if drivers can't manage the safety themselves, does it then need to be enforced? My view is that if you don't enforce it strictly, drivers and teams will keep chipping away to find an advantage. As a result, one day when someone is caught short and an accident occurrs, people will say how did this happen? But its too late then. |
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True, their actions didn't cause any harm but if they had it would have been another story. Yes, the argument does contain ifs and would haves and there is the potential danger. However prevention is better than cure, so if there is a rule regarding racing down the pitlane why wasn't it enforced immediately, rather than both drivers give a remand after the race?
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Of course club level racing is (generally) different as most drivers have some respect for each other and can't afford the panel beating bills. |
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My view is that if you don't enforce it strictly, drivers and teams will keep chipping away to find an advantage. As a result, one day when someone is caught short and an accident occurrs, people will say how did this happen? But its too late then.[/QUOTE]
This is the problem. The rules need to be strictly enforced so that the drivers know that putting people at risk is unacceptable even when you get away with it in terms of injuries and/or deaths. Everytime someone gets away with reckless endangerment we are one step nearer an injury or fatality and that is sickening! |
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I was refraining from pointing that out in case someone thought I had a bee in my bonnet or was some kind of open wheel snob so Thanks Tal Aras for mentioning it.
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Sorry for being OT, but whenver I see them, I wonder why the rear wings have this asymetrical design. Is it because they are run on an oval track?
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Matt awesome cars.I would love to see them have a go at a road track.
Describing the iterlocking protection cages as not constituting open wheelers is being very picky! Bet these guys know what racing is all about! |
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