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More Info on 001
I can't add any further info re South Africa - sorry.
 But some more points with this car: Because it was RHD, we couldn't run power steering as the PS unit couldn't fit in the engine bay with the particular extractors we ran. And because of our steering geometry, we had to turn the car in / turn it back out - at every corner - for 2 hours at a time! It was also the first car (in NZ anyway) where we could adjust the fuel injection from the driver seat. IIRC, 4.0 volts was the ideal setting when pulling out of slow corners and 8.0 volts at pace (circa 7200 rpm). If we started a race in sunny conditions and it became cloudy during the race, we could adjust the mix to maintain the optimum burn. Nowadays this is a normal reset from the steering wheel, but in 1986 it was quite radical! I see a suggestion in this forum that the engine / gearbox came from the written off Baigent car - not true. When Kent Baigent had his big shunt at Manfield, the 001 car has just arrived at the port of Auckland - complete with all spares. Happy to answer any queries - I'll pop back here from time to time. 
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I would certainly think that the engine/gerabox situation is exactly as youn suggest - Sytner would've purchased the 3 cars off of CC Motorsport (or BMW GB, whoever actually owned them?) as a complete package and to the best of my knoweldge 001 never got pranged whilst it was in the UK at least. Note: i've copied all the posts relating to this/these cars from the NZ Touring Car thread. Last edited by chunterer; 16 Jan 2012 at 09:13. |
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The suggestion that the car had an engine from Baigent's ex-Schnitzer 635 possibly originates from near the end of this article. http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...2/DSIR-BMW.jpg As 'your' car came from Sytner (who I think was/is an Alpina dealer), an Alpina engine makes sense, but a Schnitzer engine being included in the spares that you mention, doesn't. So it has been assumed that Graham Lorimer picked up a Schnitzer engine from Kent Baigent as I don't think there were any other Schnitzer cars locally (Sytner seemed to have cornered the market ). Possibly it was a spare engine rather than the one from the crashed car?Malcolm. |
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I've been going back through the thread to try and unpick the Sytner/CC 635 story, and I'm still confused by some of it- What I'm going to try and do is pull together everything we've discussed and post a season-by-season rundown of the 635 period of Frank's career, including race results and pic links, to try and clarify some of the questions- More on this later this afternoon hopefully.... |
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OK, finally got round to this... I've been looking back through the various mentions of the Sytner cars in assorted Group A threads, and I'm going to try and pull together what we seem to know about these cars. Be warned, this is going to be a bit link-heavy, and I'll do it season-by-season with individual posts for each year.
The story starts in 1983- After an unsuccessful 1982 BTCC-season in a TWR Rover (he split with the team after a few rounds, being replaced by Peter Lovett), Sytner turned to BMW- he bought a seat in one of Juma's 528s at the TT, and then a 635 for 1983. Ian Beckett, posted early in the thread, that the car was built between Dec 1982 and Mar 1983 by Ted Grace, from a works-supplied shell and parts, and would be run by Malcolm Gartlan... http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....8&postcount=46 ...and according to Alex E, it was RA1/017 http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....6&postcount=57 According to Autosport, Sytner's car was prepared and run by Ted Grace Racing who, united with Malcolm Gartlan, made a welcome return to the series. Until Sytner's backing arrived - and effectively saved the car from being a permanent non-runner - it had been hoped to run the car for Brian Muir. http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....9&postcount=35 Frank debuted the car at Silverstone in June, and saw out the rest of the BTCC season in it, plus the TT, where he finished 10th sharing the car with Brian Muir- in a sad postscript, Brian, who according to his obituary in Autosport had been feeling unwell all weekend, collapsed and died that evening on the way home from Silverstone http://www.lotus30.com/Resources/Art...r-Obituary.pdf
A couple of pics of the 1983 car: from the 1983 GP meeting programme, posted by Chris Griffin http://tentenths.com/forum/attachmen...9&d=1079814638 at the TT (originally posted by Jeremy Jackson- IIRC it's Jeremy's pic that features on Racingsportscars.com) http://tentenths.com/forum/attachmen...8&d=1080737741 Last edited by KA; 24 Jan 2012 at 13:14. |
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Oops, missed something out- Sytner and Muir also shared the car at the Donington ETC race- a DNF
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendaman/6014134656/ Amended results table including the Donington ETC entry...
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Sytner returned for 1984 with the same car, as far as we know
Again he concentrated on the BTCC, although he also appeared a few times in the ETC- Donington, Spa, and the TT:
Frank's car was heavily shunted at the TT (ending up as part of the infamous Woodcote 'car park', and a major rebuild had to be done in the week between the TT and the Donington BTCC round- apparently a whole new rear end being grafted onto the damaged shell... A second car was built mid-season, and 2-car Sytner entries appeared for the TT (Frank sharing with Barrie Williams, and a second car for David Sutherland and John Clark) and the September Donington BTCC race (Sytner and Sutherland). This is where the story begins to get complicated... A third car emerged from the Ted Grace workshops in 1984- this was a Group N/Prodsaloon for Barrie Williams- it's been suggested back in the thread that this may have been built from a damaged Group A shell... According to Gerry Hodges in NZ, who now owns it, this is RA2/46 http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...05#post1838505 At the end of the year, Frank did a deal to sell (or lease?) 2 cars to New Zealand, these being delivered in time for the Nissan-Mobil 500 races, where Frank would share the Group A car with John Morton. The other car involved in this deal seems to have been the Williams prodsaloon More in the next post.... Pics: BTCC http://tentenths.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=12757&d=1079813788 http://www.flickr.com/photos/3611177...57625237123972 http://www.flickr.com/photos/3611177...57625237123972 Donington: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendaman/5993111559/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/3611177...57622382673347 Spa: http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc/1984/Spa-1984-07-29-033.jpg Silverstone TT: Sytner/Williams... http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendama...57626279965749 http://www.mikehaywardcollection.com...t-woodcote.htm (behind the #20 'Fleet' Rover) ...and the plain white Sutherland/Clark car http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendama...57626279965749 |
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1985- New Zealand and Frank goes shopping...
This is where it gets complicated...
So by the end of 84, we have 3 Sytner/Ted Grace-associated 635s- Frank's original Group A car, used in 1983/4, the second car, apparently built around August 1984, according to Ian Beckett's post in the 'chassis archive' 635 thread... http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=458 ...and the Williams prodsaloon. Over the winter of 1984/5, two of these go to New Zealand- apparently the 'new' car built around August, and the prodsaloon. John Morton and Sytner share the Group A car in the two Nissan-Mobil 500 races...
IIRC it now seems to be with Dougal McGibbon, in which case it's RA1/22 http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51718 That low chassis number has always troubled me a bit if it's the second Sytner 635 which debuted mid-season in 1984- Was it built up around a second-hand shell, especially as in that post Dougal suggests it originally came from France? The prodsaloon (RA2/46) apparently becomes a road car...It's now a racer again, owned by Gerry Hodges, who campaigns it in replica Eggenberger/CiBiEmme colours http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...ga#post2327673 Apart from his trip to NZ, Sytner has a bit of a shopping spree, buying the 3 CC Motorsport/BMW GB cars over the winter of 1984/5. Despite having the three RHD cars available, he seems to have stuck with his faithful LHD car for a third season- doing most of the BTCC, and the two British ETC rounds. Donington and the TT both see two-car Sytner entries:
BTCC http://tentenths.com/forum/attachmen...2&d=1079779516 Donington ETC http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendaman/6072400303/ TT http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendama...n/photostream/ The identities of the second cars fielded at the two ETC races have been a matter of much discussion- From photographic evidence, the #10 Irvine/Clark car at Donington was a plain white LHD car http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendama...57627347703055 whereas the #35 car leased to Viana/Bianco for the TT was a RHD car in CC colours: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendaman/6283051547/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendama...in/photostream If Sytner had sold his second Group A 635 to John Morton in NZ over the winter, where the heck did a second white LHD Sytner car come from at Donington...? The ex-CC cars are sold on at various points of the year- one of the race cars goes to Mike Newman early in the year- Mike debuts the car at the Oulton BTCC race (a clue to the timing of the deal) and does a similar campaign to Frank- the BTCC, (less a couple of races missed) and the two British ETC races. He continues to race it through 1986/7 and still has it. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendama...57627347703055 The second CC race car is sold late in the season, to Charlie O'Brien and his sponsors in Australia- they debut the car at Sandown(?), and then Bathurst, now painted yellow... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...agic/85044.jpg It seems to have still been in the UK as late as the TT, where it was presumably the second Sytner entry for the South Africans The spare (an early ex-Eggenberger chassis, converted to RHD) was suggested originally by Ian Beckett (based on information from Frank Sytner himself) to have been sold to Jumet Motors in Belgium... http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....8&postcount=46 ...but this one appears to have ended up in NZ as well- in the hands of Graham Crosby, still in CC Motorsport colours... http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1194/1bmwx.jpg before getting blue/yellow 'Trans-Tasman' colours for the Nissan-Mobil races http://www.flickr.com/photos/8021817...57606882601980 So how did it get to NZ- was it actually Jumet who sold it on to Crosby, rather than Frank Sytner? They certainly don't seem to have used it at Spa, as both their cars there were blue/white and LHD... http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=884 There's also this recent post by Lew Mackinnon, who raced the car in the '86 NZ races with Crosby the answer? Lew tells us that he leased it for the 1986 Nissan-Mobil series, and that it arrived from the UK freshly rebuilt after a trip to South Africa, before leaving New Zealand after the Nissan-Mobil races and subsequently BEING sold to Graham Lorimer... http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=897 This seems to take Jumet out of the picture altogether- (....unless of course, there was a further 635 somewhere along the way that Sytner could have sold to them- remember that plain white car at Donington?...) Anyway, I think that was pretty much the end of the Sytner Group A 635 involvement- I think his regular BTCC car also went to New Zealand at the end of '85, and he had one further race in a 635, the Donington ETC round in '86- this was in a CiBiEmme car however, shared with Umberto Grano- He didn't appear in the BTCC, and by the TT was in an Auto Budde 325i. His next BTCC appearance would be in 1987, with Prodrive's M3.. Please feel free to fill in the gaps, or point out where I've got this horribly wrong, because I'm still not sure I've got the history right either.... Last edited by KA; 24 Jan 2012 at 15:51. |
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It's a long while ago, so I can't remember what specification the 'car' was in, but many years ago there was at least a full size 'replica' of Franks 635 racing car used as a 3D advertisement near to trent Bridge in Nottingham. (Basically, from memory the advertising hoarding was a typical BMW white background, with a headline across the top and a tag line across the bottom. Instead of a 'side-on' picture of a 635 part of the car stuck out 'through' the advert, with the rest presumably secured and supported behind the hoarding).
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Yes, I remember that as well- I there might have been a pic of it in Autosport at the time...
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KA thanks for posting all of this, once again your contributions are marvellous.
Think it might be worthwhile copying the posts over to the Chassis Archive thread shortly? One quick question I need to ask is about the ex Eggenberger BMW test/development (001) chassis. Did we determine when the LHD to RHD conversion occurred, was it during CC's ownership? |
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No idea- all I can say for sure is that it was RHD when it arrived in NZ...
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1194/1bmwx.jpg We might have specuulated about the change being made in NZ, but Lew Mackinnon says that he and Crosby leased the car- and I can't imagine you'd make such a big change to a car you were only leasing for a few races... If it was done in the UK, the question is, was it done by CC, or by Ted Grace after Sytner bought the CC cars? I suspect it was CC- I guess for them it would make sense for the spare/test car to be the same configuration as the race cars. Conversely, there wouldn't seem to be so much point for Frank Sytner to have it changed- if he'd had any intention to use the car himself, it seems an unlikely thing to do, after all his own cars were both LHD, and if he only bought it to resell, the change to RHD could presumably harm the prospects of selling it in Europe (though not Australia/NZ...) I think we maybe need to look at a lot of CC 635 pics to see if we can pick it out from the other two cars in them... |
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And yet more on 001....
"We might have speculated about the change being made in NZ, but Lew MacKinnon says that he and Crosby leased the car- and I can't imagine you'd make such a big change to a car you were only leasing for a few races..."
Correct. I signed the lease via Morton and at the time, we discussed two options - one was LHD and the second (001) was RHD. I opted for the RHD version and the car arrived in NZ (under bond) during November 85 - just in time for the 1985 Benson & Hedges 6 Hour race at Pukekohe (we finished 4th after losing around 20 minutes in the pit with half shaft problems). At this 6 hour race, it was still in CC / BMW UK livery but was changed to yellow / blue for the subsequent NZ Touring Car Series and Nissan Mobil events. Prior to arriving in NZ, 001 had done several races in South Africa as a RHD unit before it was sent back to the UK / rebuilt by Ted Grace and then shipped to NZ. Therefore, if this was converted to RHD, it must have been done prior to it racing in RSA. Hope this helps.
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Thanks Lew- Interesting that Sytner should have offered the choice of LHD or RHD- though of course, his own regular BTCC car would have been available at the end of the season (Still wondering about that white car at Donington though...)
The South African connection puzzles me, as I wasn't aware of there being any South African Group A activity, although could it have been possible for the 635 to be shoehorned into the local regulations? (Vaguely Group 1-ish(?). but with a 200 car minimum homologation, giving rise to stuff like 5-litre V8 Sierras, and BMW 7-series turbos) The mention of South Africa also raised another thought though- Way back in the thread, it was suggested that the CC spare was sold to Belgian team Jumet Motors during the summer, whereas we now know that it took a trip to NZ, after this mysterious visit to South Africa.... Based on the assumption of 001 going to Belgium, I'd always assumed that the car used by the South Africans at the TT was the ex-CC car that was then sold to Charlie O'Brien for Bathurst... Except it can't have been, because O'Brien actually debuted that car at Sandown, not Bathurst- and it has only just occurred to me that Sandown was on Sept 15th, only a week after the TT... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Castrol_500 (#21, O'Brien/Miedecke, Erle McRae Motorsport 635CSi, DNF Somehow I dont see it being re-prepared after the TT, resprayed into O'Brien's colours, and shipped to Australia within a week! It can be seen at about 2m10 in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNY6X...eature=related This presumably means that the South African car at the TT must have been 001! http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendaman/6283051547/ |
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http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....2&postcount=29 Also, I don't mean to doubt your memory Lew, but is it possible that there's some confusion about the car being raced in South Africa, with the fact that it was raced BY South Africans, but still in the UK. I can imagine Sytner saying that he has a RHD car available that some South Africans have been leasing, which is then interpreted as the car having been in South Africa. Just a thought. Malcolm |
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BMW GB 635`s
I have not read the thread again to see if I am repeating the same stuff but this might help regarding the BTCC 635`s.
RA1-01 Development / Cheylesmore RA2-01 Eggenberger Kelleners / Grano`83...GB National `84 RA1-17 Grace / Gartland `83 GB National RA1-22 BMW France National RA1-29 Replacement for RA1-01 RA2-37 CC Racing GB national `84. Car was supplied white. RA2-39 CC Racing GB National `84, Car was supplied white. RA2-46 Grace Racing. GB National. Car was supplied white. RA2-62 BMW GB. Car was supplied red. I think any other cars must have been a season old at least. |
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No Memory Loss....
At the time the lease deal was being sorted, Morton and I discussed the fact that there were actually 2 cars available for lease - a RHD or a LHD unit. When we discussed the history of the RHD car, I was told that it had raced IN South Africa (rather than being raced by South Africans) and that it had been returned to the UK where it was rebuilt by the late Ted Grace. Morton was unsure who had driven the car in RSA but it made no difference to the deal anyway - a key factor for me was that Ted Grace had not only done the rebuild but he was also going to be in NZ for the Nissan Mobil series as part of the deal. But that particular RHD car (001) was the unit that was named on the lease docs I signed. How it got to RSA / the races it started / who drove it there etc, I really can't help - sorry!
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There were 4 South African drivers at the TT, all running cars leased from UK teams, with sponsorship from 'Scope'- Viana with Niccolo Bianco in the Sytner 635, and Charles Brittz/Peter Lanz in a Terry Drury Alfa GTV6. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendaman/6283280520/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendama...n/photostream/ It seems to have been a totally one-off deal, as I don't think I remember any of them appearing in Europe again- they certainly weren't amongst the various South African drivers who were fairly regularly seen in Europe in single-seaters or sportscars during the 80's/90's- We had a thread on South African drivers in Europe a little while back. |
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Was it some kind of reciprocal arrangement (can't think what, other than possible parts supply for Sytner/Alpina in SA?) Or was it just case of them buying rides for some kind of evaluation mission to see if they then wanted to buy the cars for a full ETC campaign for 1986 or something? |
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Incidentally, (and totally off-topic) the South Africans weren't the only unusual visitors at the TT, Australian driver Andrew Miedecke picking up a ride in Czech Milos Bychl's Corolla.... Another one that's a bit of a mystery to me, as I don't recall Miedecke being seen over here too often either... |
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RA1-01 Development / Cheylesmore- Original BS/Cheylesmore car- written off (IIRC testing shunt?) early 1983 RA2-01 Eggenberger Kelleners / Grano`83...GB National `84- CC Motorsport spare car, sold to Frank Sytner late 84/early 85; possibly went to South Africa for a while in '85. leased to Tony Viana/Niccolo Bianco for 85 TT; leased to Lew MacKinnon/Graeme Crosby in NZ winter of 1985; sold to Graham Lorimer in NZ 1986, Warren McKellar NZ 1987, Myles & Gavin Hicks 1989, who still have it AFAIK RA1-17 Grace / Gartland `83 GB National- Frank Sytner BTCC car, seems to have been used 1983-85. Think it went to NZ 1985/6-ish RA1-22 BMW France National- seems to be the second Sytner car used by Sutherland/Clark at the 1984 TT? Sold to John Morton in NZ over the winter of 1984/5. Still in NZ, owned by Dougal MacGibbon I think? RA1-29 Replacement for RA1-01: Replacement BS/Cheylesmore car (Stuck & Jonathan Palmer) 1983, BS/Grundig (David Kennedy) 1984, Brian Chatfield 1985, Mann's Racing/Barry Barnes then Barry Robinson 1986; Peter Buxtorf 1988; later Nigel Smith in Thundersaloons c1990(?) etc. Now back in BS/Cheylesmore colours in historic racing with Climax Motorsport/Jody Halse RA2-37 CC Racing GB national `84. Car was supplied white. RHD car for CC Motorsport/BMW GB 'CC29' James Weaver. Sold to Frank Sytner late 84/early 85, then to Mike Newman, who raced it 1985-7 and still has it RA2-39 CC Racing GB National `84, Car was supplied white. RHD car for CC Motorsport/BMW GB 'CC30' Vince Woodman. Shunted and rebuilt as 'CC31' Sold to Sytner 1984/5, then to Charlie O'Brien/Erle McRae Motorsport in Australia late '85 RA2-46 Grace Racing. GB National. Car was supplied white. Group N/Prodsaloon for Barrie Williams- sold to NZ as part of the same deal as RA1/22 winter 1984/5. Became a road car, now back in race trim with Gerry Hodges RA2-62 BMW GB. Car was supplied red. The big mystery- I can't think of any other UK-based Group A 635s apart from Sytner, the CC Motorsport team, BS/Cheylesmore/Grundig, and the later owners of these cars, all accounted for above- and I certainly don't remember any of these ever being red. So what was the story behind this one? Is there an unused red Group A 635 sitting under a dustsheet in a shed behind BMW GB's offices...?  More probably, was a car ordered by BMW GB, and then diverted elsewhere/sold on when they pulled the plug on the CC Motorsport BTCC programme... |
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I'm almost certain it was ordered to run in the 1985 BTCC by someone who then cancelled those plans.... Like you say it must've gone elsewhere, presumably another buyer in Europe? However the fictional element of my fevered mind really wants it to turn up here in the UK in some private collection in as new and completely unmolested condition! Good work on the updates KA!! Who knows maybe a Director of BMW GB ordered it but not to race it.... I can't see the logic there though somehow! Last edited by chunterer; 27 Jan 2012 at 17:45. |
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