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Some valid points made in counter to mine and believe me, I "get" that the cars need to look good. My point though is that the cars looking good just is not going to be enough to cut it here.
Many of the responses that I see are along the lines of "IndyCar should do this like NASCAR" or "IndyCar should do that like F1." Then the chorus begins chiming in about "costs." The best point made here so far is to question why the focus is not very strong on revenues. This keeps bringing me back to my question: "Why does the series exist?" What is the competitive purpose here? We here the chant about "costs" and all that is really doing is preserving the status quo for poor, struggling owners like Ganassi and Penske. Here is something the think about: In the past, part of the equation that made a series great/popular was the owners but they were attracted TO the series for competitive reasons. Here we have a model where they are trying to make the series great/popular FOR the owners. Maybe Roger and Floyd can buy/build a track and go race each other because really, that seems to be what it has come down to. |
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Certainly mimicking NASCAR or F1 is the wrong medicine for the wrong problem. Both of those series are in radically different commercial places; Indycar is in limbo and needs solutions to pull it out of that limbo. Making the cars look strong and racey will claw some of that back. I think under temperate leadership (they don't even have that) they could claw some of the exposure to the level that the ALMS has been receiving but to go beyond that? No. The NASCAR collossus blocks the way for the indefinite future.
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Only a small part of the bigger picture as discussed above however in terms of the cars being racey - this was definitely delivered in 2012 and this should continue on 2013
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12 Jan 2013, 21:47 (Ref:3188319) | #754 | ||
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No one has yet been able to answer the questions I posed.
Why does this series exist? |
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Donut, I addressed this in the 2013 schedule thread. Temporary circuit races (streets, airports, parklands, etc) equaled or outnumbered road course races in CART/ChampCar from 1984 onward, but permanent road courses did NOT disappear. There were six permanent road courses on the 2007 Champ Car calendar: Portland, Mont Tremblant, Road America, Zolder, Assen, and Mexico City.
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What you are posting here is the reasoning behind having such a series. Who is demanding it? It seems to me that this is a series being offered in a vacuum of fan and sponsor interest. |
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Not gonna lie, I've all but given up on IndyCar. Regardless of what happened to Bernard, I just can't embrace the stale formula. Boring cars, boring drivers, boring schedule. I might catch Pocono and the 500 for the novelty(was hoping to be there, but my career is on hold) but it just holds no gravitas. It MEANS nothing. I guess that's what happens when you make a drivers formula based on a set of drivers that are jacks instead of masters.
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Aero kits remain a possibility for 2014, as Speed's Marshall Pruett reports. From the article:
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Belskus seems to want to over complicate the matter.
The only thing holding up the aero kits was cost or percieved cost by the teams. Lets not get into a discussion over whether Indycar's casual fan (is he serious) want aero kits |
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Is Belskus serious about IndyCar's 'casual fans'? He's clearly out of touch. You certainly had casual fans in the CART era, who were familiar with names like Andretti, Fittipaldi, Mansell, Montoya, Tracy, Zanardi etc. but now if I talk to someone who is a casual motorsports fan and I mention IndyCar, the first and only thing that comes to mind is the 500.
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It seems he making excuses. Lets hope he isnt pandering to car owners
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I agree the fans want them. If the manufacturers want them and see them adding marketing value to their presence in the series - keep them happy! No one wants to see a spec engine situation again.
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If the series is going to gain interest and survive, it's got to get out of the spec series rut. Indy Car was never about spec racing. Back in the day F5000 had more variety.
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Sadly it seems everything from to open wheel (even F1 to a small extent), to sportscars and touring cars are all become more spec every year. That's why I was lamenting the departure of Randy Bernard, he realized the cars needed to be different and sexy.
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I nearly mentioned Ropin' Randy in my previous post and should have. Considering with who and what he had to deal with, he did a phenomenal job.
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The sad thing about this is that the article says that aero kits would go for about $65,000 per car. That’s really not a lot on money in the grand scheme of things, yet it apparently is significant bucks in IndyCar land these days, which shows just how far the series has fallen.
And this makes me wonder how close IndyCar is to the point where it must break even (or better) to survive going forward. The series seems unwilling or unable to invest in its own future. Agree that Randy B did a great job considering the circumstances. |
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Also of note is that Sky Sports (UK) have said on their facebook page that ESPN have taken the broadcasting rights for 2013.
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