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26 Oct 2016, 08:40 (Ref:3682920) | #76 | |
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FIA. TCN2 rules allows RWD cars!
The Mercedes CLA 45 are a car you can drive and build with FIA art. 263. TCN2 regulations.
For example you can race in ETCC together with other TCR cars.MLA 45 AMG https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/vehicles/passenger-cars/cla-class/the-new-cla-45-amg-racing-series-2/ |
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26 Oct 2016, 08:48 (Ref:3682923) | #77 | |
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KIA ceed TCR.
KIA Ceed TCR customer racing programme
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/04/28/kia-announces-its-tcr-customer-racing-programme/ The engine for the KIA Ceed TCR are a 2.0 liter turbo engine from KIA opima GT 2016 car https://youtu.be/y0QqVgev6bA</SPAN> STARD (Stohl Advanced Research And Development) are building the car http://stard.at/ KIA TCR testing video; https://youtu.be/ZYcMgYHmaPk |
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26 Oct 2016, 09:53 (Ref:3682934) | #78 | |
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Ralle, again, how do you know that the CLA 45 AMG is TCN2 certified? It's not mentioned anywhere on the page you link to. If you can't show how you know what you write, you're just talking ****, but I think that was clear a while ago.
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26 Oct 2016, 10:28 (Ref:3682943) | #79 | |
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TCN2 is the FIA's technical categorization of a car which includes/equates to TCR.
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2015/...mpete-in-wtcc/ So see them as one and the same. |
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27 Oct 2016, 13:46 (Ref:3683379) | #80 | ||
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FIA and the national ASN use the FIA model www.fia.com FIA NORTH EUROPEAN ZONE http://www.fia-nez.eu/ this is FIA´s solution to zon championship. The FIA North European Zone consists of ten member countries: Belarus Denmark Estonia Finland Iceland Latvia Lithuania Norway Russia Sweden A FIA NEZ CHAMPIONSHIP mean´s that you must use FIA racing rules like TCN2! One example, there are a lot of things that are different between FIA and WSC. For Homologation/Certification off the cars and models FIA have their model and WSC have their model. FIA model: Homologation/cerftification of a series-produced car will become null and void 7 years after the date on which the series-production of the said model has been stopped. WSC model: You must buy a license from WSC for a special brand and model which only are valid for 1 year. Than you have exclusivity to that car brand and model, for all parts and modifications. Next year you must buy a new license if you will continue. Car and model that have no license today are; -old Opel Astra OPC https://youtu.be/zgOr3KUzzjc -old Ford Focus http://www.touringcartimes.com/2015/05/18/onyx-race-engineering-tests-tcr-ford-focus-at-brands/ |
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27 Oct 2016, 14:13 (Ref:3683384) | #81 | ||
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Mr Quintin03 If you can´t see the different between; 1. TCR by private company promotor World sporting Consulting LTD http://tcr-series.com/ And 2. FIA www.fia .com Why write, is´t it better you read the two regulations!! Before you speak? If you read FIA´s regulations for TCN2 car you find this; FIA art 262 Appendix J TCN2 rules, these regulations you find on www.fia.com The series production car on which the TCN2 car is based. - Corresponding to FIA Homologation Criteria for Touring Cars (Grupp A) -2 wheel drive -4/5 doors (2/3 doors allowed only if the silhouette is identical to the 4/5 doors version - Minimum length 4,2 meter Last edited by Ralle; 27 Oct 2016 at 14:42. |
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27 Oct 2016, 14:43 (Ref:3683391) | #82 | ||
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Could we please go back on topic again? STCC, rather than TCN2?
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28 Oct 2016, 09:05 (Ref:3683563) | #83 | |
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Ralle, it seems you have finally done it. You've quoted the FIA TCN rules. Not the TCN2 rules though. Now I will be a good sport and say I have now managed to find art 262B pertaining to the specific regulations for TCN2. Of course I shouldn't have to have gone looking for it, it is on you to provide evidence for your claims, not me. Fortunately for you Art 262B does not further specify that rear wheel drive is disallowed. There is a precedence however for front wheel drive being preferred, which is shown in sub-article 601 (those are the numbers in the rightmost collumn by the way). Which states: "If the original car is AWD, the driving mechanism of the rear axle must be removed."
So hooray, we've come to a conclusion that you were right all along that TCN2 regulations do not in principle prohibit rear wheel drive vehicles, but does prefer front wheel drive vehicles, while TCR regulations do in principle prohibit rear wheel drive vehicles, but provide for a way in which these may nevertheless be certified. Of course you have now proven just the tiniest of parts of your argument for why STCC should have adopted the equivalent TCN2 over TCR and in investigating further we've found that this part is much less convincing than you say, because what you present as a downside to adopting TCR may well never actually matter if rear wheel drive cars are simply always accepted by WSC. |
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This isn't a court of law, or an academic paper, it's an internet fan forum. Therefore no-one is under any obligation to provide evidence to back up things they say. If you dispute someone's claim, stop being lazy and go find the evidence to refute their claim. No-one on here is entitled to anyone else's research as we're all fully capable of doing it ourselves. |
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28 Oct 2016, 18:35 (Ref:3683684) | #85 | |
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From now under this line we go back talking about STCC. |
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30 Oct 2016, 00:22 (Ref:3683918) | #86 | |
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30 Oct 2016, 14:26 (Ref:3684011) | #87 | |||
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1 x Lestrup Golf - confirmed 1 - 2 x NIKA Astra ? 2 - 3 x Kristofferson RS3 ? 1 x Brovallen Focus ? 2 x LMS Racing Leon (when STCC don´t clash with ADAC TCR) Maybe Henrik Hedman with a Civic? |
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30 Oct 2016, 14:28 (Ref:3684012) | #88 | ||
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Most likely: PWR Racing - three SEAT Lestrup Racing/Warnelow - one Golf LMS Racing - two SEAT Sum: 6 cars Rumored: PWR Racing - two additional SEAT in a joint venture with another team Lestrup Racing - one additional Golf Brovallen - one Kia maybe NIKA Racing - one Opel Bennys (Carrera Cup team) - two cars (make unknown) Sum: 7 cars Of the rumored 3-4 cars are likely to see the grid in at least the first few races. Expect a STCC grid of around 10 cars next year. |
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30 Oct 2016, 20:04 (Ref:3684086) | #89 | ||
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What about Hugo Nerman? He ran in Adria in TCR Italy months ago, with a Civic TCS, and seems to be very fast. No Civics for STCC?
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31 Oct 2016, 10:21 (Ref:3684237) | #90 | |
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31 Oct 2016, 14:56 (Ref:3684296) | #91 | ||
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Thanks. He made a very good impression, I think he deserves attention.
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1 Nov 2016, 08:58 (Ref:3684465) | #92 | |
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Confirmed
Lestrup Racing Team - Albin Warnelov - VW Golf PWR Racing Team - TBA - SEAT Leon PWR Racing Team - TBA - SEAT Leon PWR Racing Team - TBA - SEAT Leon Rumored LMS Racing - TBA - SEAT Leon LMS Racing - TBA - SEAT Leon PWR Racing Team / Brink Motorsport - TBA - SEAT Leon PWR Racing Team / Brink Motorsport - TBA - SEAT Leon Bennys - TBA - TBA Lestrup Racing - TBA - VW Golf Speculated Nika Racing - TBA - Opel Brovallen - TBA - Kia Cee'd Unknown - TBA - Honda Civic |
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1 Nov 2016, 09:15 (Ref:3684468) | #93 | ||
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Is WestCoast Racings TCR operation ran from Sweden or from Italy? If its ran from Sweden they could perhaps enter selected rounds that don't conflict with the international championship?
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1 Nov 2016, 09:32 (Ref:3684472) | #94 | ||
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WCR is Swedish, Jas Motorsport (which builds the Honda TCR cars) is Italian. I think they are in strict collaboration.
WCR entries in STCC would be a logical consequence, but maybe it's not so easy. |
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1 Nov 2016, 09:39 (Ref:3684476) | #95 | ||
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Afaik the cars have never been in Sweden. The crew is a mix of Swedes and international guys.
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1 Nov 2016, 09:59 (Ref:3684478) | #96 | ||
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WCR has clearly said in Sweden they will not join STCC TCR in 2017 so don't expect any cars from them. |
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1 Nov 2016, 10:39 (Ref:3684484) | #97 | ||
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Too bad
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1 Nov 2016, 12:37 (Ref:3684506) | #98 | |
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EDIT: Ahvenisto doesn't have a FIA grade either: http://www.fia.com/sites/default/fil...cescircuit.pdf (as in 28 September 2016) |
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3 Nov 2016, 09:13 (Ref:3684967) | #100 | ||
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Ahvenisto does have license, wonder why i's not in the list? |
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