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Man they are blowing it again
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Not wanting to derail the thread, as we can discuss this on the IndyCar section but it's been met with a favourable response. It's more in keeping, with the CART/Champ Car cars, which a lot of fans were hoping IndyCar was going to go with when the ICONIC committee met in 2010 to discuss the new car. Instead, we got the DW12 and aero-kits.
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True enough. It looks good, but they have a chance to do cockpits, and have a platform to mandate it. Back to F1 - does a canopy include having covered wheels, this would move the design into LMP territory
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Do IndyCar have a mandate for cockpits? There hasn't been the testing, like we've seen with F1 last season, with Halo being tried out during practice sessions.
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No mandate, but it is a capture spec better than f1 to do so, use fighter canopies, whatever, F1 and closed cockpits or a tighter enclosure doesn't seem to be taken too seriously the halo?
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The cockpit and safety cell of the DW 12 is standard, so there won't be the problem of car manufacturers worrying about their design being compromised. As from next year the airbox goes, with just the roll hoop remaining, which should facilitate a fighter style canopy.
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F1 are dropping the Halo in favour of the Shield. I think that's a good move. The Halo seemed to everything but make the cockpit safer.
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They are still talking about front mounted deflector, only as shield or screen. Not all debris flies horizontally, if anything it tends to be licked up into an arc, which means top protection is required as well, or what about debris on the corner area it could come from a direction that the car is not pointing in, so a front mounted shield would be as useful as a chocolate fire-guard.
I still maintain if F1 is to introduce debris protection it has to cover the whole of the driver, and that means a full canopy. |
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A front mounted shield "may" indeed have prevented the spring from hitting Massa.
However if you use the full sentence rather than a partial quote, Quote:
In both of this scenarios debris debris could be coming at the driver from 30-60 degrees, missing the shield. And again a shield does nothing to prevent debris coming down from a height. Only a canopy can protect in most scenarios, though I accept there are issues with this, but they are not insurmountable. |
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Agreed, a full canopy would prevent an accident such as the one with Henry Surtees where a stray bouncing tire dropped on top of his head.
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Why is it that when a solution is not a 100% perfect solution to every potential problem in the first go, that it is criticised and called useless? This will stop certain incidents, and doesn't take much effort to implement, or stop extraction of drivers. So why shouldn't it be done until a better solution can be found? |
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This is the 'aeroscreen' that RBR tried out last season.
The Shield now favoured over the Halo will be at a shallower angle than the 'aeroscreen'. Testing is to be carried out. However, the Halo will be used if the Shield is not ready in time for 2018. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/39713765 |
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"... about as useful as a chocolate fire-guard." seems wholly appropriate. Why can't they just do a proper job and put the canopy in place!? |
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I thought there might be something in the regs, wnut, which defines F1 as an open cockpit series.
There isn't. For comparison, the LMP1H technical regulations open with a definition that the car is: Quote:
Now that might sound like that would make it easier to change, but I don't think it would - that lack of clarity means there's an implicit reliance on the detail in the regs, which make it clear that F1 is an open cockpit series. To have a canopy would change that implicit reliance completely. Interesting times for the rule makers and their lawyers, I'd say. |
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HI Greem, weren't the LMP regulations changed to closed cars on safety grounds following Michele Alboreto's fatal crash?
As far as the similarity between LMP1s and F1 cars was concerned this was not a problem before, the real difference between F1 and sports prototypes is that the sports cars should be able to accommodate two people sitting side by side and this appears to have gone missing fairly recently. See your point about the interesting times for the rule makers and their lawyers though. Everything in F1 always seems to head there. |
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I have to say the Halo needed more work and wasn't the best looking. Hopefully the aero screen will be the way to go
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Without seeing what exactly the FIA propose, this is conjecture at best.
What can be said for certain as I've said before, not without it's own issues but a full canopy would provide the best protection from all angles. |
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Adrian Newey is backing the Shield, rather than the Halo and says time is running out for teams to incorporate it into 2018's cars.
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I think the new shield solution looks the best compromise ATM
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The F1 set for test at British GP the Shield, this is the first image revealed.
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