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BMR and 888 seem to like to test in secrecy, but I can't see how testing at Croft will prepare them for Thruxton in any way at all. The tracks are very, very different, there is no track like Thurxton so I am suprised they didn't want to go there just to get a feel for the place on the tyres and actually get some decent running there after last year
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Looking at Croft test days (28 April), the running sessions are limited. Will this give them anywhere near the mileage the likes of Eurotech got at Thruxton?
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I only watched it live where it didn't look like it. I haven't seen any interviews or commentary on the Subarus relative positions yet but my theory was based on a comment about boost levels from within the paddock. Sent from my R7plusf using Tapatalk |
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Maybe they are looking at the bigger picture. As you say, Thruxton is like no other circuit, so testing at Thruxton only helps the next time you race at Thruxton. Testing at Croft will probably give you data that will be useful at other circuits. BMR's lack of pace so far this year suggests a fundamental problem with the car. If that's the case then testing at Croft may be the better long-term option.
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Plato looks like he was trying to get the best out of the car's excellent handling through the corners. But that left him well off the pace in sector 3, so he qualified badly. Cole seems to have had a completely different set-up to Plato... it was probably similar to Sutton's. It wasn't as fast as Plato in the first two sectors, but was better in S3. He's never been a great qualifier, so I think he would be looking for a setup that allowed him to overtake easily. Of course he didn't make it around a single lap in race 1, so that all back fired. All four chose the option tyre in race 2. Rear wheel drive cars don't appear to be affected as badly by the hard compound. Sutton and Plato both made up places, although Plato faded in the last third of the race. Price was setting better lap times than the likes of Goff and Morgan, and it would have been interesting to see how he'd fared if he hadn't lost two laps in the pits. |
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Persisting with development divergence, and testing apart from the rest of the grid, seems to have limited option for returns when they are nearly halfway through the Subaru deal already. |
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I'll be more interested to see how the Subaru's perform from Oulton onwards, as that's where the pace appeared last year.
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I would expect a new car to get stronger through the year (even more so with BTCC ballast rules), but in their second season they should be showing progress in the first third of the season, not once all of the other front runners are carrying ballast into weekends. |
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Perhaps they're not allowed, and have to stay on a nominated choice.
https://www.adrianflux.co.uk/blog/20...es-sutton.html Perhaps whatever engine problem took him out of the first race left him down on power for 2 & 3? |
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Probably a similar argument that Motorbase are pushing for too to keep their new sponsor happy. It's all very marginal with the whole grid being so close now that just a small difference can have huge consequences as is being shown by these two struggling front running teams. Great to shake it up at the front though and keep it unpredictable Sent from my R7plusf using Tapatalk |
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If I was looking at their cars performance at Donington in isolation, I would suggest that Sutton's performances show that the car can be competitive with the current CoG measures, and that the issues are possibly down to individual driver/technical matters and not the overall car package. If all the cars had been given the extra 30-40bhp he is asking for, then Sutton would have scored even better and all the other teams would be asking for more to be done to the Subaru. |
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Sutton has shown that the car is not as bad as it appeared at Brands, so if they just keep concentrating on the car rather than the rules, they should get there. They must be testing in secrecy so they aren't affected by red flags
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That's great to hear about some testing for MG.
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Id personally like them to bring back the morning warm up for the BTCC cars on race day. It would allow teams to treat it as a mini test session if need be and also allows the punters an extra look at the main event cars for the weekend.
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Depends what people would rather see, an extra session of BTCC where they're not actually racing and there may only be half the cars on the track at any one time or a bunch of 15/16 year olds scattering bodywork round the place! On a sort of related note, one thing that's always bugged me is the 'Lunch Break', I know it’s probably of benefit to the marshals as much as anyone else, but aside from them, there's no one else really working continuously. You'd think it was a better idea if the marshals were to take their lunch in shifts and keep the racing going all day. |
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In terms of marshals and lunch breaks, I'll stop laughing shortly Seriously: there may appear to be a lot of marshals at BTCC events (and there are usually way more than at club meetings), but that's precisely because (a) it's popular and (b) that number of bodies are sometimes needed to keep to timetable. There still wouldn't be enough to rota people off for lunch, especially in flag/post chief/specialist roles. Still, good that there's usually a lunch break in the schedule from my perspective. |
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