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your point was fans accepted a slowing down between 92 and 93, the numbers i have provided show there was not slowing down, at least at bathurst, knock yourself out on other tracks. It was not 10 seconds at any point and was still faster in 1993 than what Gt4 or TCR will do. They majority wont accept it, some will, but no one wants to go back 30 plus years. there has to be better options or the series is dead |
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Me im all for improved hot hatch racing, but i know i have friends who would turn off. However im not sure we can attract the millennials, maybe there kids are the hope. Pod racing |
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Not sure what the answers are, have some ideas what they are not. the poll on speedcafe concerns me as 60% dont want v6 turbos, maybe they will come around if they get to see it in action, time will tell i guess. |
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I still think the answer is mixed programs. And we could get some ideas from the past. An race Tasman type series Nov-Jan for F5000 with Hot hatches or TCR providing support. GT3 series Feb to June to include B12 and Clipsal as endurance races supported by Whatever replaces Gen3 Gen 3 main series July to october including B1000 & GC500 supported by hot hatches, or F5000 on circuits they would be OK for. Production touring run occasionally as support events through the year culminating in the B6hr at Easter. Certainly it would spread the money around and only a few superstrars would compete across classes, but they would become superstars. |
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i didnt avoid anything, it was stupid comparison and off topic. enterainment category, they stop half way so the everyone can catch up and then they race again. Its enjoyable to watch. the crowd enjoy burnouts also, or a drag car going up the straight
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If the racing is good, the fans will keep coming I'm not sure why you are so doom and gloom over this, the sky won't fall if laptimes are slower |
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lap times have no affect on the sky, but racing will cess to be mainstream, I knwo this because plenty of posters have told me this on here (just suddenly they have changed in this thread) Read the superutes thread if you need some help as a starting point |
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In a race, if there is a good racing, the majority of fans are not studying whether a car is doing 2m06s or 2m16s, they are at most noticing which cars are making up ground or losing ground each lap, the laptime itself is irrelevant. It sounds like you are the one that will lose interest if the cars are slower. |
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Didnt they go slower 2004, 2005, 2006 etc. No one stopped turning up or following the sport
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There's a difference between a few seconds here and there due to various factors and 10+ sec due to completely different hardware though. I think it's naive to believe the fans would ignore that aspect.
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Holden and Nissan support are not guaranteed either, the latter seems to be based on personal relationships than hard results and worthwhile ROI. Whereas Audi and Mercedes go out of their way to associate themselves with the techy, sophisticated image of TCR, GT3 and Formula 1. |
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While under Toyoda-san's leadership toyota are becoming more sporty and gettng involved in more motorsports. For the first time, even the Prius has been given IRS and apparently it now has fairly sporty handling a bit like a mazda or alfa! |
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I've seen some fantastic racing with Citroen 2CVs. If the racing is good, the overall speed doesn't matter.
Other than they'd take a long time to come round again at Bathurst... |
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The way I see it, long term, the first question to answer is what do VASC want, and what do the teams that are currently invested in VASC want? First and foremost, do they want to continue in the current mode of building cars up from scratch, or do they want to buy customer cars? What rules and control parts could VASC set in place if going down the build-our-own path
If they do want to build their own, that pretty much rules out "pure" GT3 and "pure" TCR, as both utilise customer cars manufactured almost entirely in Europe. In my opinion GT3/GT4 should not be in the VASC picture anyway as the evolution has always been down the touring car path. Let sports/GT cars continue in their own right. Also, if building our own, Oz Touring Cars via VASC have pretty much been independent of the rest of the world since group A finished. So why not continue down that path? 2 doors or 4 doors should not be an issue - it should be more about interior space and/or wheelbase. Set those limitations, and the vehicles then define themselves. Manufacturer involvement? I don't know; did MARC require approval from Ford and Mazda before going down their path? Power and engine type? That's a big issue, with various paths that could be followed. Then there's control parts - reduce them, or leave as they are? BoP, parity, or neither? It's not going to be an easy jigsaw to put together. |
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I agree with your summary RZM.
The important other factor though is that they have to look over their shoulder at what the fan base wants. And that in particular should include the fans that are NOT watching now, both at the track and on screens. Certainly OZ fans have always liked top have a distinctively local content in engineering as being either dominant, or at least challenging the imports. Does that apply to the young people who are currently ignoring Motor Racing. |
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Maintenance costs are lower, but if we want a sustainable series without million dollar manufacturer involvement, we need to think about how to put on the same sort of show without the huge spend. |
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