Super5000 Series Is Go??

[Jam3s]

If FT5000 goes ahead, many components will be manufactured locally, including the tubs.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

If FT5000 goes ahead, many components will be manufactured locally, including the tubs.

Not locally designed, which was my point. It is a Formula Nippon car.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Not locally designed, which was my point. It is a Formula Nippon car.

Carbon-fibre honeycomb sandwich is nothing new... There is no reason Australian firms would not have the expertise to design it properly, be it using empirical calculations, computational finite element analysis or a combination of both.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Carbon-fibre honeycomb sandwich is nothing new... There is no reason Australian firms would not have the expertise to design it properly, be it using empirical calculations, computational finite element analysis or a combination of both.

Designing a carbon fiber/aluminum honeycomb tub is easy. All of us here could do it.

Designing one that it reinforced in the right way so as to protect the driver without making it as heavy as a steel tube frame tub is a VERY different thing, though.

[Jam3s]

It's a big of an insult to Aussies to suggest they couldn't do it, especially when that assumption is based on absolutely nothing.

Given they can manufacture the tubs from scratch, they can also then understand the design process to arrive to the conclusion.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

It's a big of an insult to Aussies to suggest they couldn't do it, especially when that assumption is based on absolutely nothing.

Given they can manufacture the tubs from scratch, they can also then understand the design process to arrive to the conclusion.

Not saying Aussies in general can't do it, just saying it's shortsighted to talk like just any random designer/builder can. You've got to have access to people with the right skills, knowledge, and equipment... And hope they're not too busy with other things AND willing to work with you.

[Oldtony]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Not saying Aussies in general can't do it, just saying it's shortsighted to talk like just any random designer/builder can. You've got to have access to people with the right skills, knowledge, and equipment... And hope they're not too busy with other things AND willing to work with you.

A significant number of the carbon fibre stressed parts in both the JSF and the 787 were designed in Australia and many of them are still actually manufactured here.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Not saying Aussies in general can't do it, just saying it's shortsighted to talk like just any random designer/builder can. You've got to have access to people with the right skills, knowledge, and equipment... And hope they're not too busy with other things AND willing to work with you.

They should just design a universal tub for the series and let anyone manufacture the design.
That way the design is available to everyone and will be supplied to the series as cheaply as possible by a number of manufacturers.
Competitors can then bolt on the rest of the bits from whatever fits the rules.

[Armco Bender]

Why not build a carbon fibre Lola T332 tub?,and they could race with all the other F5000s that are running around.

[Malfunction Junction]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Why not build a carbon fibre Lola T332 tub?,and they could race with all the other F5000s that are running around.

If you look at the photos, the super 5000 may or may not have done exactly that.....

[Jam3s]

So let's just pretend that they decided to join together to run one of the two designs....

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

So let's just pretend that they decided to join together to run one of the two designs....

heard something?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

So let's just pretend that they decided to join together to run one of the two designs....

Would make a lot of sense for Mr Lambden to join Supercars to run one. Lot less risky for him.

[peckstar]

Formula Thunder 5000, Super5000 join forces

Thanks JB for making this happen

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Would make a lot of sense for Mr Lambden to join Supercars to run one. Lot less risky for him.

Interesting perspective.

It would be a lot less risky for the both of them, no?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Formula Thunder 5000, Super5000 join forces

Thanks JB for making this happen

Good outcome. Makes complete sense for both parties - must say that it seemed the logical way to go from my point of view rather than throwing rocks at each other but sometimes there needs to be a bit of rock throwing for the truce to really mean something.

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Formula Thunder 5000, Super5000 join forces

Thanks JB for making this happen

Great outcome and credit for both parties entering mediation to sort it if they had both run their formulas against one another both wouldn't have survived

[one five five]

So is this really a merger or has Lambden just folded his lot in with the other mob?

Will the final product still be what "Super5000" proposed with hand-me-down V8Supercar bits, and running as a mere support act at Supercars events?

Or will any of Lambden's proposal, for example standalone events and a Tasman Series style calendar with races in NZ and Australia over summer survive?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by one five five

So is this really a merger or has Lambden just folded his lot in with the other mob?

Will the final product still be what "Super5000" proposed with hand-me-down V8Supercar bits, and running as a mere support act at Supercars events?

Or will any of Lambden's proposal, for example standalone events and a Tasman Series style calendar with races in NZ and Australia over summer survive?

Don't know - guess we'll find out in time.

[Umai Naa]

S5000 tub with the FT5000 running gear, is my guess.

[Ospi]

The shame is the rear of the super5000 isn't even stressed unlike the ft5000 with a proper stressed rear end. Car will be a kot cheaper with ft5000 running gear at least.

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[champcarman]

Except the FT5000 engine would be at least 100 hp down on a Supercars engine, the Ft5000 chassis looks 100% better than the S5000 (except for the silly airbox). The Ft5000 chassis is a more modern looking design, something I think the Series needs (not retro).

[Umai Naa]

Even with the FT5000 motor, they'd still be stupidly quick.

[bludvl_x19]

I reckon the mix will be FT5000 chassis, with Supercar engine and a 70/30 chance of using the Supercar transaxle. I can't see the Coyote getting the nod, even though it is the far more sensible option. Supercars were only interested in the open wheeler in the first place as a dumping ground for the V8 engines.

I am glad to see that ego's have seemingly been put aside by the two parties for the betterment of the sport, something that is far too uncommon in this day and age.

[Umai Naa]

There doesn't need to be a dumping ground for anything. There isn't a massive glut of engines. There are 3 tiers of Supercars that require them. The blocks and heads don't last forever, so there will always be demand for them.