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Old 9 Aug 2017, 11:53 (Ref:3758369)   #46
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Unfortunately I don't have any timesheets for that day, 13th March 1977 , but according to the programme Phil Winter was entered in car number 25 , a Ford Escort BDA of 1298 cc . Phil qualified 19th out of 24 , didn't trouble the top ten according to my programme lap chart and I think made a couple of pit stops during the race .

As mentioned in the Autosport tribute , presumably he had upgraded to a 2 litre engine by the May meeting . Poignantly he was entered in the Escort BDA in the Special Saloon car race at the 19th June meeting , this time in the 1301-2500 cc class , the capacity being shown as 1998 cc . Sadly I think Phil died before this meeting took place .

The reason I mentioned that Phil was from Wimborne was because Wimborne is only three or four miles from Cyril Malem's base at Ferndown , and that Cyril might be able to fill in some gaps in the car's history .
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 12:12 (Ref:3758371)   #47
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I have the program and results sheets for Thruxton 19.6.1977.

Phil is entered in the Century Oils SS championship, car is recorded as a Ford Escort BDA 1998cc. The practice sheet records him as a Non-starter.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 13:29 (Ref:3758388)   #48
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As far as the exhaust is concerned,one of the best guys in that era was Dave,at specialised exhausts.Used to do F1,works bikes,& any race/rally car that could afford him.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 14:52 (Ref:3758395)   #49
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Hart Escort Special Saloon.

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Unfortunately I don't have any timesheets for that day, 13th March 1977 , but according to the programme Phil Winter was entered in car number 25 , a Ford Escort BDA of 1298 cc . Phil qualified 19th out of 24 , didn't trouble the top ten according to my programme lap chart and I think made a couple of pit stops during the race .

As mentioned in the Autosport tribute , presumably he had upgraded to a 2 litre engine by the May meeting . Poignantly he was entered in the Escort BDA in the Special Saloon car race at the 19th June meeting , this time in the 1301-2500 cc class , the capacity being shown as 1998 cc . Sadly I think Phil died before this meeting took place .

The reason I mentioned that Phil was from Wimborne was because Wimborne is only three or four miles from Cyril Malem's base at Ferndown , and that Cyril might be able to fill in some gaps in the car's history .
It looks as though Phil Winters purchased the Escort off Geoff Woods with the 1840 Hart engine in, took this engine out and sent it off to be developed and rebuilt at an engine builder, who is unknown at the moment. Then while waiting, Phil may have put his 1300 BDA unit in and entered a race until his Hart engine came back, it's possible ?

From what I can see in the pics, the engine looks to be the original 1840 Hart engine, with the block painted in Hart blue that Geoff Woods used in 1974. So the engine must have come back from the rebuild to 1975cc spec, put back in ready for the later meeting, but Phil was killed before the race. This Escort ended up with the original Hart engine in and sold to the racing driver Andrew Grover who won a few races in it, then 40 years later to Pete at Spec-R.
I wonder what happened to the 1300 BDA unit, did he put it back into the Mini, and if he did, where did that car go to.

Who would have rebuilt the Hart engine to 1975cc spec in 1977, very few could handle that.

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Old 9 Aug 2017, 15:15 (Ref:3758397)   #50
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Ive been in contact a few times now with Cyril Malem who built the Geoff Woods spaceframed Mk1 Escort at his workshop and is also coming here to Spec-R to see it for the first time since 73.
I mentioned Phil Winters to him on Monday and he said he cant remember him coming in to the workshop.He said he will have a think as its been over 40 years.
Will keep all posted as and when i here,and thank you all for the history that,s coming through and your time.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 15:15 (Ref:3758398)   #51
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Who would have rebuilt the Hart engine to 1975cc spec.
Possibly Brian Hart - that would make sense. Geoff Richardson is another possibility. He built our FVC to 1970cc.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 17:13 (Ref:3758411)   #52
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Possibly Brian Hart - that would make sense. Geoff Richardson is another possibility. He built our FVC to 1970cc.
Good engine builders, both of them. Pete would be advised to contact Hart who would verify if they rebuilt their original 1840cc engine to the 1975cc spec for Phil Winters in 1977.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 18:02 (Ref:3758420)   #53
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I have the program and results sheets for Thruxton 19.6.1977.

Phil is entered in the Century Oils SS championship, car is recorded as a Ford Escort BDA 1998cc. The practice sheet records him as a Non-starter.
The engine size put in the entry list looks as though it may have been wrong, as 1998cc engines are usually the 2litre Ford units and the Hart 1975cc units usually are adapted from the 1840 unit. 1998cc units are mostly developed to 2.1+cc, rarely going down below 2litres. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 19:26 (Ref:3758433)   #54
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Please can the Forum members tell me exactly what month/year the exhaust regs change from unsilenced to silenced?? Thank you
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 19:45 (Ref:3758435)   #55
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photo kindly sent to me by Geoff Werran ,who was a fan of Jim Crawford and got the chance to take this as Jim tried out the Wood Escort at the British GP weekend in July 1975. That's Geoff Wood crouched by the open door . On this occasion Geoff wasnt feeling well enough to race so friend Geoff Friswell took the start only to spin on a wet piece of track on the warm up lap and ripped off the bodywork on one side as reported in Autosport which was a real shame to say the least. Apologies to Geoff Werran for misspelling his name in the photo credit.
Hi Dave,ref your e-mail dated 7th Aug to myself you mentioned there was x10 races found with Geoff Wood in 74/75.Can you please confirm here Dave which these were?? much appreciated.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 19:47 (Ref:3758437)   #56
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Good engine builders, both of them. Pete would be advised to contact Hart who would verify if they rebuilt their original 1840cc engine to the 1975cc spec for Phil Winters in 1977.
Pretty sure that Hart havent existed as a company for many years. I have a feeling they were bought by TWR fortheir F1 v10 technology and then closed down?
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 21:25 (Ref:3758464)   #57
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Brian Hart passed away at the beginning of 2014, and Hart Racing Engines was taken over by TWR in 1997 and subsumed into the Arrows team.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 23:00 (Ref:3758481)   #58
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Please can the Forum members tell me exactly what month/year the exhaust regs change from unsilenced to silenced?? Thank you
I'll start the bidding at 1980.....
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 00:11 (Ref:3758493)   #59
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I'll start the bidding at 1980.....
Could be around then. I'm pretty certain that in 1977 we were unsilenced and certain that in 1989 we had to use silencers (didn't race between those years).
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 08:58 (Ref:3758559)   #60
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Please can the Forum members tell me exactly what month/year the exhaust regs change from unsilenced to silenced?? Thank you
We started to use silenced systems to reduce the decibels around the 1974 to 1977 era as did many of the Special Saloons and Modsports. It was quite loose on the regs, but some of the National boys were looking ahead and not taking any risks with strict MSA scrutineers.
This Hart Escort was barn found with a full system on it, so the last time it raced was in 1979, driven by Andrew Grover, proving the system was pre 1979/80.
If there are images of the Hart Escort when raced with Geoff Woods, Phil Winter and Andrew Grover, you could identify a time bracket. I do know that the early days of this Hart Escort had the header coming out of the top of the n/s wing, it was very loud, hot and prone to flaming the hair of kiddies heads.
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