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Old 16 Sep 2017, 07:26 (Ref:3767316)   #651
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Without wanting to be the advocate of the current WTCC managament: this is completely not true.

First: it is up to a manufacturer to decided the length of their participation. I Volvo decides to commit for 2 years you cannot force a 4 years contract on them. These days promoters are happy if a manufacturer want to run a full-works program in their championship, so don't think they can argue with them a lot about the length...

Second: look at Porsche. They had a contract for 2018 but still they decided to stop a year earlier. If a manufacturer want to go, it will go, even is there is a contract.

It is an even greater bullshit to think that WTCC does not give back a lot of their money to the series. They do!

One day EEL is criticized for paying to teams or giving them financial dispensations to keep them, than on the other day for not doing that. I also see a lot of mistakes from the current management but this is completely not fair.
Hi Lanti!

A wrote a longer relply in your website, but i try to summerize that in english here:

Stronger series - F1-FOM/MotoGP-DORNA has the power to make middle term deals with factories and force them. Obviously Eurosport Events or ACO has not got such a power/potency.


Based on the privateers situation i think EE shares only a small margin of its revenue with the competitors. I guess - only guess, because I don't find sources - EE have to have more than 20-25 million Euro/USD revenue from WTCC in a single season.

The 10 track pays a license charge/license fee for the weekends, and in some years ago I read that was more than a million euro. EE also has money from the trackside advertising and from title sponsors + the television rights also represents a decent amount of money - it's hard to say the exact value, because the main media partner is the organizer itself, so we could only just guess the market value of the TV rights- but all in all I THINK EE should be at least 20-25 million
euro/USD per year from WTCC, and imho they should share at least half of them with the competitors, but we officialy can know only one thing: competitors has to pay for the EE about 40-50 000 Euro/season for racing.

EE might be pay for some teams, but I THINK it should based on ad-hoc decisions, not on some well planned system and it's not public. In F1 or Premier League all of these informations are public.

F1 and Premier League shares back most of their revenue to the teams, because the make them the money. So it's not a alms or givts, it is a well deserved money for wich the teams work for.



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But no one said Volvo will quit after 2017!!! There were news that they will not be racing with a petrol car "for a long time". I am sure if WTCC decides to keep TC1 for 2018 Volvo will stay for another year.
I hope you are right.
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Old 10 Oct 2017, 15:10 (Ref:3773453)   #652
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Tarquini replaces leader Monteiro!
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...uini-deputise/
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Old 10 Oct 2017, 16:40 (Ref:3773461)   #653
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That is not what he needed, I just hope it’s just for this weekend, as it would be a shame for the championship to be decided this way. At least Tarquini should do well for him
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Old 11 Oct 2017, 08:14 (Ref:3773601)   #654
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If you haven't been watching it, the video series on Monteiro's recovery in fascinating.

Things are/were far more difficult than I imagined. He has vision issues and you can see he now has a squint of sorts.

Here's the first video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQt4k9_t6JE
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Old 11 Oct 2017, 08:20 (Ref:3773605)   #655
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First step would be one make series (or VAG cup with same powertrain). Jaguar has announced such series.
I believe there is/was a one-make Golf-E touring car championship in China. Would be an ideal electric support series in other markets.
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Old 11 Oct 2017, 12:40 (Ref:3773661)   #656
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I believe there is/was a one-make Golf-E touring car championship in China. Would be an ideal electric support series in other markets.

e golf race was in Hong Kong formula e as supporting race

i can tell u , battery was over heated and cant stand last
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Old 11 Oct 2017, 20:02 (Ref:3773755)   #657
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Found the elusive buggar!

Ningbo Int'l Circuit:
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I rather hope they omit the T13/14 chicane; four slow corners in a row is a bit silly, and they don't gain an overtaking point out of it either.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 08:43 (Ref:3774301)   #658
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Monteiro is still leader in the championship
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 08:44 (Ref:3774302)   #659
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Whate a jerk move from the organizers/race direction

They should let only one more lap behind the SC to give half points.

EDIT.

Forget this, it seems the get half points. BTW the track doesn"t seems worst than in te race 1.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 08:46 (Ref:3774303)   #660
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No.

They should get half points!

The leading driver complete more than 2 laps.
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https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...i-awarded-win/
TCT say that they will get half the points
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 10:21 (Ref:3774316)   #662
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It's not really a race though if they spend all race behind the SC, no matter what the regulations say. I remember when WEC only did a few laps under the SC in Fuji, so they changed the rules about that
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 14:46 (Ref:3774331)   #663
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what sort of rule would you add for races that do not get a green flag like todays 2nd race?
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 16:08 (Ref:3774340)   #664
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Chilton needs to watch the footage before placing blame.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 13:47 (Ref:3774500)   #665
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what sort of rule would you add for races that do not get a green flag like todays 2nd race?
No green flag, not points to me.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 21:45 (Ref:3774569)   #666
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I'm not convinced that Tiago will be well enough for the race at Motegi. I really think they should get Shedden in there. Think Colciago will also be engaged with TCR?
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They a top driver in the car and I’d love to see Flash prove himself on the world stage at some point, so maybe. Would be something to see
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I'm not convinced that Tiago will be well enough for the race at Motegi. I really think they should get Shedden in there. Think Colciago will also be engaged with TCR?
Thompson or someone from argentin touring car
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Tiago missing again, confirmed. https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...o-ruled-japan/

Colciago JAS TCR test driver but potentially also busy. Unless he's not doing the TCR Europe Trophy, is there an entry list?
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Yukinori Taniguchi, easy.
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Tiago missing again, confirmed. https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...o-ruled-japan/

Colciago JAS TCR test driver but potentially also busy. Unless he's not doing the TCR Europe Trophy, is there an entry list?
No Colciago in TCR Europe Trophy:
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Only the drivers who did take part in at least one TCR event during the 2017 season are eligible for the 2017 TCR European Trophy.
However the drivers classified in the first ten positions of the 2017 TCR International Series, as per 30 September 2017, are not eligible.
The promoter reserves the right to allocate Wild Card entries.
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No Colciago in TCR Europe Trophy:
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New timetable for Japan. Container ship has been delayed due to storms so now it's effectively a one-day meeting with qualifying, MAC3 and races all happening on Sunday

Saturday 28 October:
15h15-16h00: Free Practice 1

Sunday 29 October:
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