FIA Homologation Papers & HTPs - Page 19

Lancsbreaker · 4 Apr 2017, 17:33 (Ref:3723772)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

We had the same thing on our CER Corvette C2 (around 70° C inside!). Mostly depends on the scrutineer team. But from the appendix clearly not allowed. In France you will be asked to wind up your window on the pit lane. This comes from crashes where the driver's arm could go outside when the car was accidentally rolled (Christian Maquiné- Commodore Croix en Ternois or Claude Ballot Lena-Alfetta Spa- for instance). But OK bringing fresh air is also a matter of security and comfort as well. To be negotiated!

Amuses me when marshals in the holding area are insisting on saloons winding up the windows (we still have the electric ones in the 75), but open-top cars - TRs, Morgans, etc, have no need of sidescreens at all......

Gerard C · 5 Apr 2017, 04:30 (Ref:3723873)

Excellent Lancs, really!

I should have realized this before because we were stupid enough to do endurance with a Caterham (1.6 then 1.8), two of us being around 6ft 3.2 (1,91 m). Very hard to keep both arms inside.

And the additional straps arms/harnais are not mandatory here (I think this is good).

Duddha · 13 Jun 2017, 12:23 (Ref:3740853)

Historic Touring Car Challenge Heads to Snetterton - Motor Racing Legends.

Full press release here.

Historic Technical Passports (HTPs)

Good news for Tony Dron Trophy cars! Both the MSA and the FIA have agreed to re-issue (at no cost) any HTPs issued before April 7th 2017 for cars that were meant to be to BTCC regs. The date is when the new class specifically for these cars became part of Appendix K Regulations.

This applies where the HTP has already been approved as a Group 2 car, but where the car is actually to be to the BTCC regulations (effectively Group 1½). Cars must be technically correct to the BTCC regulations, be a correct period specification and complying with Appendix K.

The car will be issued with a revised HTP with the new class and will need to have a new FIA sticker which will be put on the car by an MSA Registrar. The date of expiry would remain the same. The car may need some new photos and revisions to the text. The Registrar will do this.

Normally the same Registrar that carried out the initial inspection would be involved and a fee (to be negotiated with the Registrar) would be payable for his time and effort. However John Hopwood has generously agreed to take the photos and revise text for cars entered in the Tony Dron Trophy at no cost providing the car is at a meeting where he is officiating. Please contact John directly to arrange. Email: jchmotorsport@btinternet.com

We look forward to seeing all the Touring Cars out at Snetterton next month.

Best regards

Duncan Wiltshire
Motor Racing Legends

PeterMorley · 25 Nov 2017, 09:52 (Ref:3782875)

I'm currently looking at the process for applying for an HTP through the MSA and their initial HTP Application Form already has me confused...

It asks for Make represented and Manufacturer represented.
Is there a difference between the two?

**Mike Bell** · 25 Nov 2017, 11:57 (Ref:3782898)

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Originally Posted by PeterMorley

I'm currently looking at the process for applying for an HTP through the MSA and their initial HTP Application Form already has me confused...

It asks for Make represented and Manufacturer represented.
Is there a difference between the two?

I think the answer is- there could be a difference! Not so much a problem with a Ford, BMW or something equally mainstream, but with rarer specialist built racers.

The easiest thing is to fill that in while the car’s being inspected.....

Tel 911S · 25 Nov 2017, 14:34 (Ref:3782916)

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Originally Posted by PeterMorley

I'm currently looking at the process for applying for an HTP through the MSA and their initial HTP Application Form already has me confused...

It asks for Make represented and Manufacturer represented.
Is there a difference between the two?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...IUmXBoHnt2Udmb

Link to HTP above .
Page 3 section 4 says to ignore classification details until the vehicle is being checked , when it will be filled in .
So , possibly, classification, make, maunfacturer etc details will be agreed with inspector

**Mike Bell** · 25 Nov 2017, 16:08 (Ref:3782929)

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Originally Posted by Tel 911S

Page 3 section 4 says to ignore classification details until the vehicle is being checked , when it will be filled in .
So , possibly, classification, make, maunfacturer etc details will be agreed with inspector

Glad I was right.......

zefarelly · 27 Nov 2017, 07:32 (Ref:3783395)

I think it was quite common for low volume GT manufacturers to have company names and car manufacturer names/model names.

Layton Sports cars LTD - TVR Grantura

Monocoque chassis and body co ltd - Marcos

Tunex Conversions &/or Heron plastics . . .Diva GT

**Mike Bell** · 27 Nov 2017, 07:37 (Ref:3783397)

That’s what I was thinking. Trojan and McLaren as well?

When I’ve presented the local MSA Inspector with a semi-completed application form he has always brought his own anyway, and ignored mine!

PeterMorley · 27 Nov 2017, 15:35 (Ref:3783524)

Thanks for that, makes sense in a bureaucratic way!
There seems to be the usual chicken & egg situation with the forms - include the front page photo you are going to use on the application form before the registrar comes and takes the photos...
As usual those on the coal face presumably know their way round the system and those in the office are none the wiser.

zefarelly · 27 Nov 2017, 16:04 (Ref:3783531)

Inspectors vary, so to keep them onside probably best to suck it up and let them lead. . .

macaw · 29 Nov 2017, 17:59 (Ref:3784117)

Inspectors do in deed vary. Having recently applied for papers I can highly recommend Robert Ellis who is very professional & very pleasant at the same time.
Dealing with the MSA however is another thing altogether. Was shocked by their attitude, would not respond to complaints regarding there processes & basically said pay up or we cancel your application. They wont be receiving complaints from me in the future as I have vowed never to apply for HTP papers again.

Jeremy Hall · 3 Dec 2017, 09:11 (Ref:3784871)

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Originally Posted by PeterMorley

I'm currently looking at the process for applying for an HTP through the MSA and their initial HTP Application Form already has me confused...

It asks for Make represented and Manufacturer represented.
Is there a difference between the two?

Peter you and successive writers have missed the point.
Since the FIA came to terms with the fact, some fifteen or more years ago, that many old racing cars carried badges on the front which bore little or no relationship to the cars origin and that the sport would be better concentrating on specification, we now have many cases where cars are being built by factories/manufacturers which are not the original; Shelby American(and AC ) Cobra's, GT 40's, some Porsche's, Jaguars, Lister etc spring to mind and are plain cases where the make represented is very different from the original manufacturer. Note the careful use of the word represented.
When you fill in the application form-rather than the HTP you you will see the clarification/rationale

**Peter Mallett** · 3 Dec 2017, 11:06 (Ref:3784889)

Hello Jeremy. Long time no see I hope all is well with you..

**Mike Bell** · 3 Dec 2017, 12:21 (Ref:3784894)

Likewise, and thanks for the clarification from someone that actually knows....