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Old 1 Nov 2017, 07:30 (Ref:3777913)   #26
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I don't know why anyone bothers....but anyway

the SRO event you are talking is at Bathurst, a track that Australian two & four wheel teams have sacrificed national title events at other places to be ready for Bathurst for over 75 years, it even happened in the early days of your beloved Supercars era when competing in the full series wasn't a requirement

When Australian teams actually withdraw from AGT rounds and enter & participate in next years Hampton Downs 12hr and Sepang 12hr, then we will know how appealing those SRO events are over an AGT event
Of course the inter-continental challenge is built around not having to compete at each event so that cars from each of the 4 countries can compete. thus, they only have to run the one event.

But yes we will know next year, we already have one team suggesting who has been a constant competitor suggesting that is what they are going to do. Would suggest the one pushing the barrow is the one in denial about that

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Old 1 Nov 2017, 07:52 (Ref:3777917)   #27
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A one-make Asian series is hardly International prestige

It is something different though, and probably what the organisers are looking for
Agree completely on your first point, that is why I used inverted commas when using those terms.

Does seem that the organisers may be looking for change and they probably feel that they can secure the class with some certainty of who is running it etc.
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Agree completely on your first point, that is why I used inverted commas when using those terms.

Does seem that the organisers may be looking for change and they probably feel that they can secure the class with some certainty of who is running it etc.
Audi factory support brings massive corporate hospitality along... so the event gets paid for the cars showing up, and to entertain the guests.

I thought the ‘Cup’ Audi ran to a different spec to the full house GT3 cars, having me wonder how the cars will be able to run together...
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Old 2 Nov 2017, 22:11 (Ref:3778250)   #29
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Tony Quinn was interviewed on the Inside Supercars podcast on Tuesday evening and shed some light on the current position and developments.
http://www.insidesupercars.com.au/

Quinn's comments showed that it all isn't doom & gloom - citing amongst many things that the 2018 calendar is pretty much finalised - inclusive of the Australian Grand Prix, Tailem Bend, Hampton Downs, Phillip Island etc. Roughly 5 sprints and 3 Endurance events.

He also suggested that losing Clipsal wasn't a big loss from his point of view.

Confirmed that he is still running the series in 2018 and that CAMS, VASC and Australian GT were still friends but said he wasn't fussed now that Australian GT and VASC would not be joining together.
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Tony Quinn was interviewed on the Inside Supercars podcast on Tuesday evening and shed some light on the current position and developments.
http://www.insidesupercars.com.au/

Quinn's comments showed that it all isn't doom & gloom - citing amongst many things that the 2018 calendar is pretty much finalised - inclusive of the Australian Grand Prix, Tailem Bend, Hampton Downs, Phillip Island etc. Roughly 5 sprints and 3 Endurance events.

He also suggested that losing Clipsal wasn't a big loss from his point of view.

Confirmed that he is still running the series in 2018 and that CAMS, VASC and Australian GT were still friends but said he wasn't fussed now that Australian GT and VASC would not be joining together.
With B12Hr and Hampton 12Hr being part of the SRO APac 36 along with Sepang 12Hr, i'm not sure if there is that much of a reason to have an AEC encompassing fly away races in NZ, and even less a sprint round when you consider the carnage that can (and has) developed, OR, doing what some have done and avoid the rounds altogether to focus on CB or just stay at home/focus on daytime job.

I think if they are to do an AEC next year outside of the APac 36, keep it in Aus with PI and others (why don't they include the B12Hr in this - I know its not an AusGT event but they all turn up anyway), and those that want to/can afford to venture to NZ can do the APac 36 event.
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Tony Quinn was interviewed on the Inside Supercars podcast on Tuesday evening and shed some light on the current position and developments.

Quinn's comments showed that it all isn't doom & gloom - citing amongst many things that the 2018 calendar is pretty much finalised - inclusive of the Australian Grand Prix, Tailem Bend, Hampton Downs, Phillip Island etc. Roughly 5 sprints and 3 Endurance events.

He also suggested that losing Clipsal wasn't a big loss from his point of view.

Confirmed that he is still running the series in 2018 and that CAMS, VASC and Australian GT were still friends but said he wasn't fussed now that Australian GT and VASC would not be joining together.
He mightn't be fussed, but what about the runners in his series? There was a serious pushback this time last year from the entrants, or a certain section of them at least. Will they be appeased with his 2018 vision?
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Audi factory support brings massive corporate hospitality along... so the event gets paid for the cars showing up, and to entertain the guests.



I thought the ‘Cup’ Audi ran to a different spec to the full house GT3 cars, having me wonder how the cars will be able to run together...


R8 cup cars are GT3 with a few bits changed.

OD Racing used the same car in Blancpain Asia and R8 cup this year, so I assume it's a simple adjustment


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He mightn't be fussed, but what about the runners in his series? There was a serious pushback this time last year from the entrants, or a certain section of them at least. Will they be appeased with his 2018 vision?
Fair point and time will tell. I can't imagine Tony Quinn would be running around with his eyes closed though.

He touched on a few things in the podcast around the costs associated with the VASC program, costs being passed onto entrants and 'whinging' about the entrant fees. Further to that point - he suggested that VASC have their hands full in 2018 and didnt believe that joining the series would magically appease all the concerns/expectations.

Time will tell how this plays out - however this does show there is a relatively progressed plan & schedule for 2018 which dispels some of the fears shared by posters earlier in the thread
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Tony Quinn was interviewed on the Inside Supercars podcast on Tuesday evening and shed some light on the current position and developments.
http://www.insidesupercars.com.au/

Quinn's comments showed that it all isn't doom & gloom - citing amongst many things that the 2018 calendar is pretty much finalised - inclusive of the Australian Grand Prix, Tailem Bend, Hampton Downs, Phillip Island etc. Roughly 5 sprints and 3 Endurance events.

He also suggested that losing Clipsal wasn't a big loss from his point of view.

Confirmed that he is still running the series in 2018 and that CAMS, VASC and Australian GT were still friends but said he wasn't fussed now that Australian GT and VASC would not be joining together.
Well that's good news, provides some certainty for all involved.

Hopefully TQ can improve the relationship with some of the competitors and the series keeps moving forward.
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The 2018 Australian GT season will take in a brand-new event as part of a revamped eight event calendar. Australian GT will enjoy strong coverage, with free to air, subscription, and live stream options allowing fans to enjoy every round of the 2018 campaign.

http://australiangt.com.au/2017/11/2...endar-for-2018

CAMS Australian GT Championship
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1 March 22-25 Rolex Formula 1 Australian Grand Prix, VIC Sprint
2 April 14-15 The Bend Motorsport Park, SA Endurance
3 May 12-13 Sandown Park Raceway, VIC Sprint
4 June 2-3 Phillip Island, VIC Endurance
5 August 4-5 Sydney Motorsport Park, NSW Sprint
6 October 13-14 Hampton Downs, NZ Endurance

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1 March 22-25 Rolex Formula 1 Australian Grand Prix, VIC
2 May 12-13 Sandown Park Raceway, VIC
3 June 1-2 Phillip Island, VIC
4 August 4-5 Sydney Motorsport Park, NSW
5 September 1-2 Winton Motor Raceway, VIC
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So what format will they have for the race at The Bend?
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2017 14 events
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Probably a wise move to increase some fields, but still massive reduction in events
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Probably a wise move to increase some fields, but still massive reduction in events


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Probably a wise move to increase some fields, but still massive reduction in events
Quality not quantity yeah?
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Quality not quantity yeah?
has this not gone the other way. Quantity fields and sacrificing quality
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Where is the sacrificing of quality?

They are amalgamating 3 separate championships into 2 (or more than likely 1.5) with the co share between Trophy & Championships across some of the sprint events.
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Where is the sacrificing of quality?

They are amalgamating 3 separate championships into 2 (or more than likely 1.5) with the co share between Trophy & Championships across some of the sprint events.
before we had one class of similar cars, now we have mulitple classes of varying speed cars, we have more cars, but the quality has reduced due to varying speeds of cars,

You were the one the made the generalised statement remember
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Class racing with multiple classes - GT3 and GT4 sounds pretty good? It seems to work well for Bathurst 12 Hour?
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Class racing with multiple classes - GT3 and GT4 sounds pretty good? It seems to work well for Bathurst 12 Hour?
No, its sounds like you are settling on something inferior to get a quantity field. (although in this case based on 2017, just to get a field)

IE quantity , not quality
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No, its sounds like you are settling on something inferior to get a quantity field. (although in this case based on 2017, just to get a field)

IE quantity , not quality
The field is dictated by the 'gentleman" driver/owner who wants to participate, basically it comes down bang for buck and therein is the problem
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The feedback from 2017 was that there wasnt the depth of field (accident, budget etc) for enough teams to run Sprint, Endurance and Trophy.

Some played in Sprint only, some in Endurance and some in Trophy.

2018 addresses this and consolidates the 3 streams into 1 Australian GT Championship.

Quality in terms of competitors and reduction in quantity of the number of events .
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The feedback from 2017 was that there wasnt the depth of field (accident, budget etc) for enough teams to run Sprint, Endurance and Trophy.

Some played in Sprint only, some in Endurance and some in Trophy.

2018 addresses this and consolidates the 3 streams into 1 Australian GT Championship.

Quality in terms of competitors and reduction in quantity of the number of events .
Where can we find this feedback DRT? I assume its somewhere freely available.

You can try and word things however you want, but this is a major backward step for Aust GT. necessary however, but still a major backward step.
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Personally I think it's a good move. 14 was probably way too many to get good size fields consistently.

Doing less events and being either the headline act or one of the headline acts at most of them sounds like a sensible approach to me. 2017 made it look like 14 was over-reach and it's a smart move to take heed of that.
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Personally I think it's a good move. 14 was probably way too many to get good size fields consistently.

Doing less events and being either the headline act or one of the headline acts at most of them sounds like a sensible approach to me. 2017 made it look like 14 was over-reach and it's a smart move to take heed of that.
agreed, after 2017 it had to happen
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