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Isn't the ZB smaller than the VF?
If so, then maybe they didn't have to chop much (if any?) |
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Often the GTR is cited as nearly killing the ATCC but I believe it saved the ATCC. The "domination" during the '91 - '92 lead many people to want more local content in the championship and the result of that is the championship we see today. We were fortunate at the time that a core group of strong teams existed that were able to discard their current cars and invest in the new rules for 1993. Today we find ourselves with the new GEN 2 regulations with only one team committing themselves to them. |
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Those regulations delivered world class action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEfiwyiV8hs and crucially, would have allowed Ford, Holden, BMW, Nissan and Toyota to all compete for outright victory. Isn't such variety what fans love!? Surely alienating BMW, Nissan and Toyota from the ATCC was inappropriate and of poor ethics!? |
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It is interested to hold up all these other categories, all excellent in their own right, but none have managed anything approaching the stability of the (V8)Supercars long term. That has to say something. |
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While I don't disagree with the point you are getting at, (V8)Supercars reinvented itself 4 times between 1993 and now which allowed the longevity, whereas Group A, Super Touring etc.. had the regs run to their natural conclusion and then a new set of regulations were started from scratch.
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I agree with justabout all that chavez and one five five are saying, the sad thing is the whole thing has probably come too far for the newer fanbase to accept anything different.
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24 Jan 2018, 06:25 (Ref:3794656) | #409 | ||
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CAMS signs an agreement that apparently allows for an introduction of TCR in Australia in 2019, but CAMS needs to a sign a deal with a promoter first:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/01/24...oduction-2019/ |
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Take us back 12 months ago... Who was it that was saying there was no place for TCR in Australia, and they wouldn't be issuing a Category Management Agreement?
EDIT: Not the article I am looking for, but relevant. https://autoaction.com.au/2017/01/26/tcr-blocked Last edited by bludvl_x19; 24 Jan 2018 at 06:38. |
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24 Jan 2018, 06:51 (Ref:3794662) | #411 | |
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Great news
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24 Jan 2018, 07:19 (Ref:3794664) | #412 | |
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The future is here.
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Yay! More categories in an already overcrowded marketplace.
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24 Jan 2018, 08:20 (Ref:3794676) | #414 | |
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Nuts. More little buzzboxes running around.
To be supported by the new Toyota Prius cup, each race run in two stages with a 2 hours and 10 minutes break to recharge batteries. |
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I really don't understand how they will get TCR up and running from scratch in Australia. They will have to find a minimum of 15 cars from a competitor base that doesn't currently exist. It's the same challenge facing Super5000 in my opinion.
When V8Supercars brought in the CotF rules in 2013 that required brand new cars, there was already a competitor base. The new SuperUte series starts this year from a base of V8Ute competitors that already existed. When the ATCC switched to Group C in 1973, to Group A in 1985 and to V8s in 1993, there was already a competitor base existing or a pool of cars that were racing that could be up-specced to race under the new regulations. Similiarly when Class 2/Super Touring started here, plenty of old Group A cars were eligible and they bulked up the field while newer cars slowly entered the series over the next 2-3 years. TCR has no base to build on, and neither really does Super5000 given the dire world of Australian open-wheel racing. |
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To give an idea of the manufacturer backing TCR enjoys, Audi, SEAT, Volkswagen, Ford, Alfa Romeo, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Lada, Opel (Holden), Peugeot, Renault, Skoda, and Subaru have all developed cars for the category. |
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Ultimately the future for TCR in Aus. depends on 2 words... Promotion and TV. |
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Surely the first thing is to get them into the 12hr?
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In exchange for a large sum of money?
Likely. |
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What's wrong with buzzboxes?
Besides in road-going form so called 2L buzzboxes like the Civic Type R and GTI 40 Years are significantly faster than a 1995 5L Holden Commodore SS. Indeed the 220kW Civic Type R has the same 80-120 km/hr time as the nearly twice as powerful 430kW HSV GTS, according to Motor magazine! It's not the size of your engine, it's how you use it, eh? Quote:
Buzzboxes are far more relevant to what many people are going to buy and drive every day. VF Commodore SSV is a very nice car -- true, but it sures like a drink, so I would strongly consider the Civic Type R that performs nearly as good (in fact the Civic is nearly a full second faster than the SSV from 80 to 120 km/hr, despite 1/3rd the engine size!) and drinks a lot less -- wouldn't you? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 24 Jan 2018 at 16:34. |
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TCR is significantly cheaper than Carrera Cup or even GT4 yet has far more opportunities for manufacturer alignment and sponsorship. It is no brainer to leave some of these other categories and join TCR! TCR would also likely tempt folks who are currently running state Porsche series for old Carrera Cups. TCR would offer similar, or lower, costs with the benefits of being on the national stage. Costs would likely be on par with the Australia Manufacturer Series (once a car is built up there with Alcon brakes and fancy shocks, the costs are likely on par or greater than TCR anyway), so many runners from the production series should be tempted across too. (Remember all the TCRs run *stock* engines like production series. Very durable, reliable, inexpensive. All engine parts readily available from the manufacturer.) |
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