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I'd have to agree with Woolley's suggestion in the 12 Hour thread of moving the outside wall back, together with using the right type of barrier, to reduce the chances of a car ending up stopped in the middle of the track. Signalling upgrades are a must of course too.
Plus amend the regulations to provide penalties that bite for any driver not responding to flags, and use them. After all there was a crash behind the safety car a few years back in the 1000 that was completely unpenalised! |
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Maybe modifying the brow at Reid Park or so could make the approach less "blind"...but really? A lot of people here seem to be overthinking this...I say again, how many THOUSANDS of laps, and HUNDREDS of drivers have passed through this section unscathed |
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Flashing lights, double waved flags, LED panels.
When the driver is concentrating hard looking for grates and apexes and turn ins it's all irrelevant. It's a dangerous joint and will stay that way. Like Eau Rouge. And the Corkscrew, and Siberia, and Casino Square, and all of Monza...... |
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Could we flatten out the rise in the track thus giving clearer visability
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On Board Marshalling Systems would probably help http://www.emmotorsport.com/portfoli...portorder=menu |
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The suggestion of pushing back the inside wall, done by clearing trees, adding in a retaining wall and infilling the change in grade - would be the most beneficial to improve the drivers sight line out of Reid park into Sulman.
LED Lighting systems still require marshal operation and someone being in the right frame of mind to activate it appropriately - as opposed to standing mouth agape watching the accident play out. So there is still a chance to create error. Put the immediacy of danger on the incoming drivers so they themselves can provide the appropriate reaction. |
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The lights are very similar to traffic lights, and are put in positions that the drivers eyeline will see them...dunno if they're effective though. I saw a very interesting system being tested at Bathurst on the weekend, will see how long it takes before it is introduced |
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If the inside wall can be moved to open up the sight line for the drivers, that would be much better still rather than relying on signalling and drivers seeing and reacting properly to it. I am not sure how the geography would work for that but as they say anything is possible. Sandgroper, so the answer is to do nothing? I don't think it is overstating things to say there could have been another death on that section of track last weekend if either driver was sitting on the other side of the car. I don't know about you but I'd rather not see that happen. |
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Maybe we need a sand trap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0xyE6XSSk but this would be the safest solution... https://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Locat...outh_Wale.html |
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with 11 seconds between original accident and secondary accident. One of two things happened. eitehr the driver ignored the flags and didnt take appropriate action or the flags did not convey the apporpriate message (there a few reasons that could have happened) Thus both of these things are not racing incidents, they are a failure of the current system. The system can be fixed without changing the track
With at least 3 significant incidents happened now all for the same two reasons they are two things they can be fixed and shoudl be fixed. Only a bad workplace would let them continue |
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The dodgy (like that?!) video available appears to show a Flag Point slow to react as was Race Control (and that could have been a related communications issue)...but on the other hand, and for example, I have been in a situation where there was a collision at Bathurst, I made (what I thought) was a prompt reaction including radio report, beautiful, full Yellow flag, waved just at the right speed to maximise visibility, leaning over the ARMCO, clearly visible to the approaching drivers and guess what? a scene similar to a Blues Brothers crashfest occurred... On a scale of one to ten, this incident was about 5...the Merc took enough avoiding action so as to just clip the rear end of the stalled car, rather than T boning and possibly being a fatal. There have been 10 out of 10 incidents elsewhere on the track...so why are people rabbiting on about this one? Red Flagged race? or just bored and need to get out more |
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Playing devil's advocate against my own post, no idea if it's possible, and it may be that it introduces other dangers such as angle of impact for the first incident.
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Does anyone suggest that McPhillamy Park has been ruined by the addition of a sand trap area? Were there these suggestions at the time it was created?
I like the idea of a run-off area as it would drastically reduce the number of cars left stationary across the track |
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McPhillamy Sandtrap...managed to avoid it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q05zc8utFy4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffxQexsh77o Hate to see this again...but this is how INEFFECTIVE sandtraps can be... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDtfBh29sSM |
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The budget for new circuit was $50mill.About $15mill of this allocated.The rest is not going to happen.That $15mill could help future proof the existing circuit. The Chase and other circuit modifications cost substantial sums as well.What exists now is not going to meet standards forever. |
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Isn't the outside of Griffin's Bend and the exit of Forrest's Elbow privately owned land?
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