2019 VASC Silly Season (WITH POLL)

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

That will keep the Traditional V8 fan base, Im down for that !

Me too

and even more if it has a mustang rival

[chavez]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Me too

and even more if it has a mustang rival

So TA2 then?

Maybe with current spec engines, 6 speed gearbox, bigger brakes and soft rubber.

[one five five]

I find it almost impossible to believe that Holden will allow teams to run ZB V8s next year.

After the big push from Holden to introduce the V6TT, as if they are going to run the risk of being beaten by an 'old' V8 model that they're getting away from?

You are also highly unlikely to see any Camaro's going up against another GM product while ever Holden are officially in the series

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by chavez

So TA2 then?

Maybe with current spec engines, 6 speed gearbox, bigger brakes and soft rubber.

Heck no, TA2 is extremely slow in comparison,

Supercars but with mustang , camaro and commodore skins (and any others people want to bring)

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Heck no, TA2 is extremely slow in comparison,

Supercars but with mustang , camaro and commodore skins (and any others people want to bring)

Hmm - I wouldn't say "extremely" slow in comparison. 6 seconds slower at Winton a couple of weeks ago but would be closer on the Dunlop control rubber used in VASC.

About 3 seconds off the pace at QR from memory.

TA2 is a different deal though - designed as a more relaxed class for dudes who want to enjoy themselves rather than compete for sheep stations.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Supercars but with mustang , camaro and commodore skins (and any others people want to bring)

Would you welcome a twin-turbo GTR?

If they are going to coupes, they should all be coupes, IMO... No Commodores (or Falcons or Altimas).

[GTRMagic]

4 door family sedans or 5 door family hatchbacks with V8, V6tt or 4cyl tts

No sportscars.

Family cars like most people buy.

Mondeo, Commodore, Maxima, Stinger, Genesis, M3, E63, S60 etc etc

Mustang/Camaro is a mistake

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Would you welcome a twin-turbo GTR?

If they are going to coupes, they should all be coupes, IMO... No Commodores (or Falcons or Altimas).

Sure , I said that

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mustang/Camaro is a mistake

Thats called an opinion. what is the reasoning for it?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Thats called an opinion. what is the reasoning for it?

Its called being outside the original Supercar framework, and from a marketing perspective, a Camaro beating a Falcon or Altima or vice versa creates a credibility gap.

[mayhem]

V6 turbos are outside the original framework, whats your point?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Its called being outside the original Supercar framework, and from a marketing perspective, a Camaro beating a Falcon or Altima or vice versa creates a credibility gap.

Within Gen 2 though, the current framework

Why does it create a credibility gap? I'm lost on that. A falcon is already quicker than a carrera cup and does similar times to a lambo GT3?

Credibility in that way is not an issue as we know they are modified are then paritised

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mustang/Camaro is a mistake

Hmm..

But they are Holdens (Chevrolets) and Fords and they are actually V8s.

I'm not sure racing Vectras (Commodores), Maximas (Altimas) and Mondeos that bare no resemble to the real car whatsoever apart from the headlights and grill is preferable.

[leothedrummer]

Road car relevance means nothing anymore. Engaging, compelling, dramatic and exciting racing is what is needed.

Open eligibility up big time, doesn't really matter what type of car they are provided they tick all the above boxes as well as looking and sounding great on track.

Doesn't really matter what you do, but it needs to be a true parity series - this is where all the problems are coming from!

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by leothedrummer

Road car relevance means nothing anymore. Engaging, compelling, dramatic and exciting racing is what is needed.

Open eligibility up big time, doesn't really matter what type of car they are provided they tick all the above boxes as well as looking and sounding great on track.

Doesn't really matter what you do, but it needs to be a true parity series - this is where all the problems are coming from!

Thats about the way i see it.

Very few care about its relevance, those that do can support other categories that have relevance and probably need to let go of the past as well

F1 has no road car relevance buts its the biggest show in town

[rich07]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Its called being outside the original Supercar framework, and from a marketing perspective, a Camaro beating a Falcon or Altima or vice versa creates a credibility gap.

Id say having a brand new Commodore beaten by a Falcon or Altima that that haven't been on sale for months if not years creates a credibility gap.

Bring on the Camaro/Mustang/GTR. If the manufacturers aren't interested then there should be a way for teams to be able to enter these cars independently and drum up some more excitement in the championship.

[Mixer]

Camaro isn't happening unless HSV want to fund it, with Holden's permission. If that were to happen, it would run the V6 that Holden just paid to develop, not the V8.

End of story

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[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

F1 has no road car relevance buts its the biggest show in town

err, Formula 1 has never had road relevance or claimed road relevance

Supercars though still tries to tell us it is the same old "Australian Touring Car Championship"

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

err, Formula 1 has never had road relevance or claimed road relevance

Supercars though still tries to tell us it is the same old "Australian Touring Car Championship"

No, dont think they have ever said that.

Just that the winner is the Australian Touring Car Champion, its been 20 years, big chunk of your life time, let it go

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

No, dont think they have ever said that.

Just that the winner is the Australian Touring Car Champion, its been 20 years, big chunk of your life time, let it go

To quote Roland Dane from Auto Action #1731 March 8-21 2018

"We're a touring car category, we are still the Australian Touring Car Championship"

[E.B]

Originally Posted by one five five

To quote Roland Dane from Auto Action #1731 March 8-21 2018

"We're a touring car category, we are still the Australian Touring Car Championship"

Touché.
(For once I agree with Roland)

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

To quote Roland Dane from Auto Action #1731 March 8-21 2018

"We're a touring car category, we are still the Australian Touring Car Championship"

are i see the issue, you are assuming Touring cars and Road relevance are the same.

there is no requirement that a Touring car is road relevant

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

are i see the issue, you are assuming Touring cars and Road relevance are the same.

there is no requirement that a Touring car is road relevant

haha, yep ok

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by peckstar

there is no requirement that a Touring car is road relevant

What a silly statement. So it was a mere coincidence that the 1960 to 1992 Australian Touring Car Championships were won by modified versions of actual road cars?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

What a silly statement. So it was a mere coincidence that the 1960 to 1992 Australian Touring Car Championships were won by modified versions of actual road cars?

Not sure your point, Touring Cars are really wide in their description. Supercars meet the description of a Touring Car, so did the 1960 -1992 australian Touring Car champion cars

there is no requirement in touring Cars that they have road going relevance. F1 proves that road going relevance is not important to motorsport fans, As does NASCAR and drag racing and speedway

As Leo said, to take it back into context Engaging, compelling, dramatic and exciting racing is what is needed.

If you think it needs some relevance, then all the relevane that is needed in Supercars and ATCC is this