Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > Formula One

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 16 Apr 2018, 12:48 (Ref:3815999)   #101
p261brm
Veteran
 
p261brm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
England
Shropshire & Oura
Posts: 1,359
p261brm should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridp261brm should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Toto and team must learn that winning is not as easy as was, as for Mr Verstappen he must really start to learn the old adage 'to finish first, first you must finish'
p261brm is offline  
__________________
I'm supposed to respect my elders, but it's getting harder and harder for me to find one now.
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 12:52 (Ref:3816000)   #102
F1Guy
Veteran
 
F1Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Antarctica
Driving dangerously
Posts: 1,406
F1Guy User has been fined for unsportsmanlike behaviour!
Quote:
Originally Posted by F1Guy View Post
A well timed push of the SC button there Charlie, well done.
Vettel not happy that safety car was released two laps after the incident, and after he and Bottas had passed the entry line.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...-was-not-right




F1Guy is offline  
__________________
When did I do dangerous driving???
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 13:12 (Ref:3816002)   #103
F1Guy
Veteran
 
F1Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Antarctica
Driving dangerously
Posts: 1,406
F1Guy User has been fined for unsportsmanlike behaviour!
Apparently Ted Kravitz gave Ricciardo a fortune cookie pre race, and the first three words of the fortune reading was "You will win....."

I've tried to find evidence of this but have not had any luck. True or false?









F1Guy is offline  
__________________
When did I do dangerous driving???
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 13:27 (Ref:3816007)   #104
F1Pete
Veteran
 
F1Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Canada
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,120
F1Pete should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridF1Pete should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillibowl View Post
rigged?



i get that maybe the SC could have come out sooner (like maybe half a lap earlier) but suggestions that the race was rigged is a bit much imo.



but if it was rigged then that begs the question of who it was rigged for?


Flavio??


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
F1Pete is offline  
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 13:44 (Ref:3816011)   #105
chunterer
Race Official
Veteran
 
chunterer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location:
Down the end of my road
Posts: 15,697
chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!
Ia anyone else getting sick of the constant mythering and sour grapes from Vettel and Hamilton, compared to Ricciardo, Max, maybe even Alonso who seem to smile and brush off barbed questions?

Bottas and Kimi are Finn's so we'll excuse them, in fact the only Finn who I recall smiled a lot in recent times was Lehto! Even Hakkinen could appear uninterested sometimes!

Seb and Ham should be grateful for the opportunities they've had and surely understand that they can't have it all their own way all of the time?

The other guys with happier demeanours are the likes of Hulk, Sainz, Ocon, Gasly. Heck, almost all of the grid.
chunterer is offline  
__________________
"Double Kidney Guv'nah?"
"No thanks George they're still wavin a white flag!"
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3816017)   #106
Skam85
Veteran
 
Skam85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location:
Wherever the next race is
Posts: 2,812
Skam85 has a real shot at the championship!Skam85 has a real shot at the championship!Skam85 has a real shot at the championship!Skam85 has a real shot at the championship!Skam85 has a real shot at the championship!
I thought in this instance Seb was quite measured and calm when it came to having his race ruined by Max. Philosophical even..
Skam85 is offline  
__________________
Part time wingman, full time spud.
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 14:53 (Ref:3816019)   #107
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 9,718
chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!chillibowl is the undisputed Champion of the World!
so Merc again talking about how the RBR tire switch wasnt on their radar and/or didnt conform to what they thought the pace of the soft tire was.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...china-1026969/

3rd race in a row where they have been massively let down by their race simulation/data analysis team. begs the question, what do these people even do in the data center?

i suspect slacking off/surfing the net like every other employee in front a computer all day.

for me first question about that would be if they didnt think the soft had much benefit then surely still even pitting for a fresh set of mediums made more sense then staying on the slightly used set LH was currently on....or does the communication delay/ analysis time prevent quick responses?

or at the least, if they were so confident in track position over fresh rubber, then send your pit crew out in an attempt to trick Ferrari into making an extra stop. a call which the pit wall should have made and could have bought them a little more time to hear back from base.

i also dont like the uniformity in strategies...hedge your bets with whichever car of yours is running second....thats just old school race strategy no?

of course all hindsight but i feel like they are missing the tricks that used to be common place before the data/race simulation revolution took their racing instincts away.

anyways, glad to see Merc get defeated again by virtue of an over reliance on money and technology.
chillibowl is online now  
__________________
Home, is where I want to be but I guess I'm already there
I come home, she lifted up her wings guess that this must be the place
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 14:55 (Ref:3816020)   #108
crmalcolm
Subscriber
Veteran
 
crmalcolm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Nepal
Exactly where I need to be.
Posts: 12,292
crmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famecrmalcolm will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by F1Guy View Post
Vettel not happy that safety car was released two laps after the incident, and after he and Bottas had passed the entry line.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...-was-not-right
What's your opinion on it though? Are you saying that you agree with Vettel?

In the past you have made it clear that you feel the word 'disgrace' should be used whenever Vettel speaks, and that you have zero respect for anything he says - so I guess Vettel's in the wrong here?

for clarity - the incident occurred with drivers on L30, and the SC with drivers on L31.
crmalcolm is offline  
__________________
"When you’re just too socially awkward for real life, Ten-Tenths welcomes you with open arms. Everyone has me figured out, which makes it super easy for me."
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 15:21 (Ref:3816025)   #109
RWill2073
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,515
RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!
That was a great race. The "disgraceful" "butt-ass" once again beat his teammate and likely would have won if not for some bad luck.

I kinda thought the verstappen Vettel incident was a racing one, and didn't really deserve a punishment. Vettel went in wide, max saw a gap and went for it. Ambitious, yes, but so was ricciardo on bottas. I think those two tend to happen in reverse if done on the other drivers. Bottas would have avoided contact with max, Vettel would have hit ricciardo. Just my opinion, of course.

Lot of good racing all around the grid. I thought even the second or third lap around under safety car that Vettel and bottas should have pit in response to the red bulls. Would have been behind them, but with slightly quicker cars. Maybe it would have put them too far deep in the field.

If this keeps up this season, it's going to be great entertainment.
RWill2073 is offline  
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 22:46 (Ref:3816067)   #110
bjohnsonsmith
Race Official
20KPINAL
 
bjohnsonsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United States
London, England
Posts: 23,144
bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by RWill2073 View Post
That was a great race. The "disgraceful" "butt-ass" once again beat his teammate and likely would have won if not for some bad luck.

I kinda thought the verstappen Vettel incident was a racing one, and didn't really deserve a punishment. Vettel went in wide, max saw a gap and went for it. Ambitious, yes, but so was ricciardo on bottas. I think those two tend to happen in reverse if done on the other drivers. Bottas would have avoided contact with max, Vettel would have hit ricciardo. Just my opinion, of course.

Lot of good racing all around the grid. I thought even the second or third lap around under safety car that Vettel and bottas should have pit in response to the red bulls. Would have been behind them, but with slightly quicker cars. Maybe it would have put them too far deep in the field.

If this keeps up this season, it's going to be great entertainment.
At the time and on reflection, Verstappen should have got a drive-thru. 10 seconds was somewhat lenient.
bjohnsonsmith is online now  
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying."
Colin Chapman.
Quote
Old 16 Apr 2018, 23:50 (Ref:3816075)   #111
F1Pete
Veteran
 
F1Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Canada
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,120
F1Pete should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridF1Pete should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillibowl View Post



3rd race in a row where they have been massively let down by their race simulation/data analysis team. begs the question, what do these people even do in the data center?

i suspect slacking off/surfing the net like every other employee in front a computer all day.

for me first question about that would be if they didnt think the soft had much benefit then surely still even pitting for a fresh set of mediums made more sense then staying on the slightly used set LH was currently on....or does the communication delay/ analysis time prevent quick responses?

or at the least, if they were so confident in track position over fresh rubber, then send your pit crew out in an attempt to trick Ferrari into making an extra stop. a call which the pit wall should have made and could have bought them a little more time to hear back from base.

i also dont like the uniformity in strategies...hedge your bets with whichever car of yours is running second....thats just old school race strategy no?

of course all hindsight but i feel like they are missing the tricks that used to be common place before the data/race simulation revolution took their racing instincts away.

anyways, glad to see Merc get defeated again by virtue of an over reliance on money and technology.
Ross Brawn and Ron Dennis would run the strategies in their heads.
F1Pete is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 01:32 (Ref:3816084)   #112
wnut
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,088
wnut has a real shot at the championship!wnut has a real shot at the championship!wnut has a real shot at the championship!wnut has a real shot at the championship!wnut has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith View Post
At the time and on reflection, Verstappen should have got a drive-thru. 10 seconds was somewhat lenient.
Would've thought that Fred's move should have at least been looked at by the stewards too, just barged his way through pushing Vettel off the track.
wnut is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 01:40 (Ref:3816086)   #113
bjohnsonsmith
Race Official
20KPINAL
 
bjohnsonsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United States
London, England
Posts: 23,144
bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!bjohnsonsmith is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnut View Post
Would've thought that Fred's move should have at least been looked at by the stewards too, just barged his way through pushing Vettel off the track.
Agreed.
bjohnsonsmith is online now  
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying."
Colin Chapman.
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 03:21 (Ref:3816095)   #114
RWill2073
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,515
RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith View Post
At the time and on reflection, Verstappen should have got a drive-thru. 10 seconds was somewhat lenient.
I would agree if Vettel wasn't so wide on turn in. But there was room for verstappen there, as much as there was for ricciardo on bottas.
RWill2073 is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 06:06 (Ref:3816106)   #115
Adam43
14th
1% Club
 
Adam43's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
European Union
New Orleans
Posts: 42,422
Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!Adam43 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
From what I remember, it might have started off similar, but Ricciardo managed to get alongside, if not ahead, by the corner and made the apex. Verstappen did not.
Adam43 is offline  
__________________
Seriously not taking motorsport too seriously.
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 06:37 (Ref:3816110)   #116
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 18,325
S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!S griffin is going for a new world record!
Max just dive bombed, instead of having a go at the inside. That's why he got the penalty
S griffin is offline  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 09:10 (Ref:3816129)   #117
littleman
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location:
northants
Posts: 913
littleman should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridlittleman should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
The best overtake of the race was Bottas on Raikkonen, yet he's not getting the headlines he deserves for it.

The move was absolutely sublime.
He positioned his car perfectly, lost no traction or momentum and gave Kimi all the room they both required.

It was so perfect it was all too easy to overlook.Sure the Red Bull drivers pulled off some exciting stuff, not Max so much, but none had the understated class of the Bottas move.
littleman is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 09:13 (Ref:3816130)   #118
Richard C
Veteran
 
Richard C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,801
Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!Richard C is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam43 View Post
From what I remember, it might have started off similar, but Ricciardo managed to get alongside, if not ahead, by the corner and made the apex. Verstappen did not.
Yes, that was the difference.

Richard
Richard C is online now  
__________________
To paraphrase Mark Twain... "I'm sorry I wrote such a long post; I didn't have time to write a short one."
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 09:18 (Ref:3816131)   #119
Peter Mallett
The Honourable Mallett
20KPINAL
 
Peter Mallett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
England
Here and there
Posts: 37,234
Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!Peter Mallett is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman View Post
The best overtake of the race was Bottas on Raikkonen, yet he's not getting the headlines he deserves for it.

The move was absolutely sublime.
He positioned his car perfectly, lost no traction or momentum and gave Kimi all the room they both required.

It was so perfect it was all too easy to overlook.Sure the Red Bull drivers pulled off some exciting stuff, not Max so much, but none had the understated class of the Bottas move.
Agreed.
Peter Mallett is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 10:34 (Ref:3816137)   #120
Kempi
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Germany
Düsseldorf, Germany
Posts: 771
Kempi should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridKempi should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Agreed as well. And it was not one of the divebombs that both Red Bull drivers practice. The main difference is that Ricciardo manages to hit the apex where Verstappen usually does not and pushes the outside line driver away.

The thing that amazes me: how can Ricciardo's Red Bull brake so late compared to other cars and still hit the apex? Question of a lift and cost situation where the leading driver feels "too safe"? The way Ricciardo usually does this is by braking a good 5-10m later than the others and basically coming out of nowhere.
Kempi is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 11:24 (Ref:3816148)   #121
RWill2073
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,515
RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!RWill2073 has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kempi View Post
Agreed as well. And it was not one of the divebombs that both Red Bull drivers practice. The main difference is that Ricciardo manages to hit the apex where Verstappen usually does not and pushes the outside line driver away.

The thing that amazes me: how can Ricciardo's Red Bull brake so late compared to other cars and still hit the apex? Question of a lift and cost situation where the leading driver feels "too safe"? The way Ricciardo usually does this is by braking a good 5-10m later than the others and basically coming out of nowhere.
Learned from former red bull driver Sebastian Bourdais.
RWill2073 is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 11:33 (Ref:3816151)   #122
peebee2
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,249
peebee2 User had had their licence endorsedpeebee2 User had had their licence endorsed
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kempi View Post
The thing that amazes me: how can Ricciardo's Red Bull brake so late compared to other cars and still hit the apex? Question of a lift and cost situation where the leading driver feels "too safe"? The way Ricciardo usually does this is by braking a good 5-10m later than the others and basically coming out of nowhere.
1. The tyres he had allowed him to brake maybe 3-5m later.

2. Brake to the apex, straightening the corner. There’s another 3-5m for you. It makes him slower on the exit but the overtaken car has had his line disturbed so much he is also delayed.
peebee2 is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 12:03 (Ref:3816156)   #123
Kempi
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Germany
Düsseldorf, Germany
Posts: 771
Kempi should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridKempi should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
I am aware of the techniques. But it is not like the other drivers do not know how to brake deep into the corner. And Ricciardo also does this on tires of similar age. So I do not think the explanation is quite so simple.
Kempi is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 12:27 (Ref:3816161)   #124
wnut
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,088
wnut has a real shot at the championship!wnut has a real shot at the championship!wnut has a real shot at the championship!wnut has a real shot at the championship!wnut has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kempi View Post
I am aware of the techniques. But it is not like the other drivers do not know how to brake deep into the corner. And Ricciardo also does this on tires of similar age. So I do not think the explanation is quite so simple.
There is quite a big difference between the line that you require for the fastest possible route through a corner and a defensive line, which is what I think peebee2 is nailing in his second point, and this is how Ricciardo gets through, he is fast into the corner and effectively blocks the overtaken car from taking its faster line on the exit.

Last edited by wnut; 17 Apr 2018 at 12:32.
wnut is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Apr 2018, 12:47 (Ref:3816167)   #125
peebee2
Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,249
peebee2 User had had their licence endorsedpeebee2 User had had their licence endorsed
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kempi View Post
I am aware of the techniques. But it is not like the other drivers do not know how to brake deep into the corner. And Ricciardo also does this on tires of similar age. So I do not think the explanation is quite so simple.
You can’t do that so easily if you’re already ahead approaching the corner as the following car will pass you before the next one...

You can usually only do it if you are behind to start with and thus then blocking the other car off at the apex as you pass him, delaying him
peebee2 is offline  
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[Official] Chinese Grand Prix - Predictions Contest 2018 - Round 3 of 21 - Entries Born Racer Predictions Contest & Fun 9 15 Apr 2018 15:31
[Official] Bahrain Grand Prix 2018 - Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 2 of 21 Born Racer Formula One 106 13 Apr 2018 10:15
Australian Grand Prix 2018: Grand Prix Weekend Thread FAS33 Formula One 193 1 Apr 2018 09:59
[Official] Chinese Grand Prix 2017 - Round 2 of 20 - Grand Prix Weekend Thread Born Racer Formula One 89 12 Apr 2017 15:37
[Official] Chinese Grand Prix 2016: Grand Prix Weekend Thread Born Racer Formula One 75 25 Apr 2016 11:21


All times are GMT. The time now is 18:30.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.