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8 Jan 2001, 01:30 (Ref:57258) | #1 | ||
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I remember years ago reading about brittish formula ford 2000 and how some very good drivers like Mark Blundell raced in the series ..but I havent heard anything about for quite some time...the only thing I have heard is about the USA series mainly because of a few Aussies have raced in it and done very well and how that series is an excellent one ...but nothing about the brittish series.
So is there still one and what is the competiton like and does is hold some kind of regard in racing circles unlike the Formula Renault series that seems to have died a slow and painfull death ??? |
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8 Jan 2001, 08:55 (Ref:57290) | #2 | ||
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No FF2000 died out in the late '80's in the UK, its territory being taken away by F. Vauxhall Lotus (first season '87) which that year featured two young chaps with marlboro backing, Mika Hakkinen and Allan McNish. Wonder what they're doing now?
I'm a bit puzzled by your comment about F Renault too (which has now replaced F Vauxhall as the main slicks and wings formula in the UK below F3) as it seems to be in rude health at the moment, having been woon by Kimi Raikkonen in the UK last year. |
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8 Jan 2001, 13:06 (Ref:57335) | #3 | ||
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Thanks for the info on F Ford 2000 Marshall..I didnt realize that the series had folded.
as for Formula renault ..I guess it just shows how far away we are here in Oz ..as I assumed the series had gone bust because of the lack of any news about it....it may have been the Formula Vauxhall series I was thinking of and there seems to be a heck of alot of junior classes .. but thanks for the info anyway |
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8 Jan 2001, 13:22 (Ref:57340) | #4 | ||
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Now there is a subject to get your teeth into. Yes marcus, you are quite right, there are too many junior formulae in the UK. It is getting better though, FFirst and FVauxhall Junior both passed on as professional classes last year, which probably explains why FFord and Junior FFord are booming. FRenault and FPalmer Audi are the intermediary slicks and wings Formulae between FFord and F3, and both of those seem to be on the wane. If we could go to just having FFord and F3 in the next few years that would be fantastic. Who cares you'd need 2 or 3 heats and final, it would be good racing.
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8 Jan 2001, 21:55 (Ref:57460) | #5 | |
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And let us not forget where Mr. A. Pizzonia came from...
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9 Jan 2001, 01:16 (Ref:57521) | #6 | ||
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what.....Brazil ???
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9 Jan 2001, 08:33 (Ref:57556) | #7 | ||
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I think Mr. A is talking about FRenault
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15 Jan 2001, 14:26 (Ref:58602) | #8 | ||
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FF2000 alive and well !!
Whoaa!! - hold on guy's British FF2000 isn't dead - although it is no longer a commercial formula, it is however one of the really good UK club formulae. FF2000's currently have the following places to race.
URS Classic FF2000 championship - probably the premier series for pre '83 cars, part of the BARC Classic package. 750 M/C Formula 4, sharing the formula with CVH powered single seaters, HSCC Classic F3 and Derek Bell Series. CFFC European FF2000 championship. Gone is all the commercial hype that modern single seater formulae demand, but still there is some of the exciting driving and close racing. Classic formulae have seen a bit of a revival in the last 2 or 3 years and are certainly providing drivers with the opportunity to drive this exciting machinery without having to find the extortionate budgets that todays front line single seater circus demands. You should know better Marshall - URS Classic FF2000 was at Combe with us when I went flying at the end if last season. |
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15 Jan 2001, 16:44 (Ref:58621) | #9 | ||
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Tony, you're quite right I should know better. What I should have said was that it died out as a professional class in the late '80s, but is still raced enthusiastically today as a club formula.
Yours humbly etc etc |
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15 Jan 2001, 17:02 (Ref:58624) | #10 | ||
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OK Marshall - grovelling apologies duly accepted Yes I guess if we're talking "professional" ladder rung stuff you can't include FF2000, it is purely a club formula now.
Nothing between FFZetec and F3... (heats in F3 - that'd be fun) mmmmm, well the Zetec's are as quick as the old FF2000, a bit less stable on the twisty bits though, maybe what's missing is something below that, basically what the original FF1600's on Kent engines and treaded tyres produced. But then we didn't have the big karting scene we have now to cut your teeth on. BTW I haven't got a round at Combe this year - you marshall anywhere else ? - so's I can "drop in" on you again |
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16 Jan 2001, 08:44 (Ref:58778) | #11 | ||
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I do. You guys normally run with the BARC classic package don't you? I'll have to see if I can manage to fit at least one of those into my busy schedule!
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16 Jan 2001, 09:07 (Ref:58781) | #12 | ||
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Yes that's right, I will be doing the BARC Classic package this year, all of it I hope as the plan is to be out in something slightly different..... watch this space.
It kicks off at Thruxton on Easter Monday, 16th April - see you there maybe ? |
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16 Jan 2001, 19:57 (Ref:58868) | #13 | ||
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no u have to come down to snett easter weekend for the british f3!!!!!!!!!
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16 Jan 2001, 20:31 (Ref:58885) | #14 | ||
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F3 - pah! - just a bunch of banger racers looking for their next big break - not their money so what do they care about driving people off the track to get past - ( that should put the cat among the pigeons hee, hee, ) Club racing's where you want to be Marshall matey, we even make the effort to come and see you at your post - won't get an F3 pilot doing that now. Anyway Thruxton's closer to home - isnt it ?
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16 Jan 2001, 21:58 (Ref:58909) | #15 | ||
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I'm afraid it'll be bad news for the 16 April (probably the same for Marshal)... first meeting at Combe and Thruxton.... And I have to say that I'll be driving past Thruxton on my way to Combe!!
They still haven't sorted club racing - 2 meetings on the same day, less than 40 miles apart... and I have to make a tough choice that I have to miss the CSCC package yet again. Just to prove my point.. Weekend of the 16 September. Powertour at Brands Goodwood 2 day meeting at Combe 2 day meeting at Lydden Meeting at Gurston Down Why do they do it?? |
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17 Jan 2001, 09:04 (Ref:58984) | #16 | ||
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I'm still waiting for the Autosport calender so that I can make my final decision on where I'm going when, but if I'm anywhere on Easter Monday (Having in all likelyhood spent the Friday and Saturday at the ALMS meeting at Donnington) then it'd probably be Combe.
But back to the classic package, are you guys going to Mallory this year, I haven't been there for ages and I'm hankering after a return. As for Dan's point, the season looks very strange this year, from what digging I've done, April, May and June all look very busy, then hardly anything till the end of August, when it all gets too busy again through September. Negotiations start with Mrs. Marshal soon! |
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17 Jan 2001, 09:43 (Ref:58988) | #17 | ||
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Yes the calendar does look a bit odd overall, I tend not to look at all the meeetings like you guys, just what I intend doing. the BARC Classic package (inc CSCC) for this year is as follows;
Still whatever you guys manage to get to come over and say hello, if you fancy coming and are not marshalling let me know, I often have spare tickets and extra pit crew is always welcomed ! |
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17 Jan 2001, 12:48 (Ref:59011) | #18 | ||
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"Negotiations start with Mrs. Marshal soon!"
Handy hint towards household bliss - Do what I did - get her involved in marshalling |
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17 Jan 2001, 13:10 (Ref:59015) | #19 | ||
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Tried that, with limited success!
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17 Jan 2001, 17:13 (Ref:59030) | #20 | ||
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hey don't b so down on the f3 guys!!!! some of them r really lovely and would love to come and see u at ur marshalling posts!!! who do u want and i will tell them to go visit u! ne way f3 is much classier racing than the stuff u r talking about
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Hey J-P wondered whether you'd take the bait !!! most of the F3 guys are OK and pretty damn good racers, but you got to admit there are one or two who could do with staying at home and playing on their PS2 !
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btw the reference to "dropping in" on Marshal was me coming out of the sky at him at Combe last year. |
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18 Jan 2001, 09:31 (Ref:59166) | #22 | ||
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Main difference is that after they 'visit' us the Classic guys want us to pick up and return all the bits - the F3 guys tend to just bugger off - I guess they need the time to work out the excuse
Best story along these lines was from an FF race at Oulton Park many years ago (so long ago that I was still a track marshal) - after a multiple car shunt one of the drivers said 'When you are sorting out the wheels - mine is the one with the good tyre!' |
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18 Jan 2001, 13:01 (Ref:59192) | #23 | ||
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They obviously have too much money -I still have Mark Webbers front wing - as deposited at Thruxton chicane..
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