Dumbrell appeal upheld

[craig1]

I'm not saying the decision was right or wrong but did Cameron expect Pauls car to disappear.
He had to know he was there and his approx position, just to turn in as if he wasn't there and then be surprised that he got turned sounds a bit like a Kelly.
I know there isn't much room there but to just turn accross him seemed a little foolish.

[1200Datto27]

Where was Cameron to go to? If he had stayed out wide, he would have gone into the marbles, and ended up in the wall. Paul was trying to make the pass, adn was not alongside the other car, therefore, the onus is on him to do so, without taking out the other driver.

[Just Do It!]

jjd: we did only see race 2 today and it was edited to bits. A great pity for one of the key events on the Supercar calendar.

I reckon an aerial shot of turn 8 would have shown a completely different picture.

Besides, are you there to race or what? A gap is a gap when I am on the track and it seems to look like he would fit.

An aerial shot I believe would have silenced a lot of critics.

A very action packed race, I must say.

[RaceTime]

Information passed to me tonight suggest that the reason Dumbrell's appeal was upheld was that the in car camera (aren't all cars supposed to have them now?) showsing that NO contact was made between Dumbrell and McConville.

Now as the transcript of the hearing hasn't been released (what is it with CAMS that they won't release these findings? After all, it isn't as if can damage anyone or anyones reputation - is it??) this is currently unconfirmed.

Anyone have any further information on this? Keep your eyes on www dot Motor Sport Forum dot net dot au if no answers provided here by the end of the week - we will carry it on over there...

[Wheels]

"failing to exercise reasonable care in attempting to overtake."

This is what the successful appeal was based on.

On the inside.

On a 220kph+ corner.

Please.

[lcfp2297]

Where the person allegedly hit was doing nowhere near 220kph...

[RaceTime]

And the appeal process appears to have taken into account no contact was made?

[Panzer]

It's a big load of ****.!!!! Why does it always seem to be the same drivers being talked about ,surely that suggests something fundamentaly wrong with their approach to the sport. It starts in karting where the kids arn't given enough penalites for dangerous driving. Perhaps its because they are kids, but if allowed to get away with it they take their driving standard up through the classes with them.
I believe Dumbrell to be one of these. Still getting away with it. I always fell sorry for the bloke that gets hit. NO points, repair bill, disapointment for sponsors who came to watch their car go round, etc, etc, etc. While the guy who caused it usually drives on. Drivers that continue to try and make moves that their not capable of making should be banned for a race then perhaps they would finally learn.

[lcfp2297]

Panzer,

Why is it always the same driver talked about?

It seems to me that people love to pick on the Rookie and judge an incident by the amount of damage...

Case in point...Dumbrell into Morris at AGP last year...Morris said "When I was hit it was a surprise, because you don't expect that to happen when another car goes off the track and then comes back on. "

Now go back and watch your AGP 2004 video, and watch Morris go off in exactly the same position, and re-enter in front of a TD car, forcing evasive action...the only difference being the rain...I did not here the TD driver say "I did not expect that"...

I pose the question, was Morris's hit last year caused by his inability to avoid the incident, as the TD driver did this year?

[Panzer]

I would hardly call Mr Dumbrell a rookie to motorsport, he has raced everything from karts to F4000 to V8. If Morris is always causing accidents he should be delt with too.
I am simply talking about repeat offenders in all catagories of motor racing. There are two classics in FF at the moment, and it goes back to their karting days.

[RaceTime]

So tell us then - you obviously know what was presented at the appeal that caused the original findings to be reversed - what don't you agree with?

It is about time that ridiculous comments and statements such ave been made in here are stopped simply because of personal feelings towards a driver or team.

If you have facts - put them forward along with some credibility.

[lcfp2297]

If we were to take Motorsport as the field, then no their are not many Rookies around...but cast your eyes back over the years at who has come in to V8's, and have been targeted for similar incidents to those that the more experienced contenders also cause...It is only natural that the class Rookies will be involved in more accidents...one must remember You can not put an old head on young shoulders...

But should they be penalised for their relative inexperience in a category? From what I read in this thread, yes would appear to be the common consensus...

[Panzer]

Sorry Race, was your last comment ment for me.

[RaceTime]

If the cap fits - then yes. More as a general statement that many posters in here are posting personal feelings rather than factual information.

If you have any facts to back up your comments that Dumbrell was and still is at fault, post them - but it si about time everyone stopped making comments baced on feelings.

[Panzer]

My comments are not based on any personal feelings, it's simply a feeling you have when you have followed someones career since karting. You here the news that so and so was involved in an accident and you say to your self i'm not surprised. I,m only making these comments because the subject was posted. I'm simply saying some drivers try to drive above their limit, and usually some one else pays for it. I shouldn't have mentioned names and for that i apologise.

[RaceTime]

And, like I stated - the appeal panel obviously don;t agree with you - otherwise they would not have upheld his appeal.

[Chappelli]

Dunno about $10,000 and 75 points, but after seeing the coverage my opinion (for what it's worth) is that it was a pretty dumb move... (Can anyone think of anyone who's successfully pulled that move?)and given how dangerous that particular corner is, it is probably a fair call that he gets some sort of slap on the wrist... That is regardless of whether there was contact or not.. It's just not a 'sensible' or 'safe' place to pass and therefore should be discouraged...

Maybe some sort of yellow card system (similar to british soccer) where you accumulate points for unsportsman-like driving, whether that be blocking, dangerous driving etc (the sorts of things that shouldn't be decided during the race)once you've accumulated x ammount of points you get x ammont of championshippoints deducted or have to start off the back of the grid... or something like that..

I think it'd certainly help eliminate some of these dodgy knee-jerk penalties... and those shady areas where there is no 'real' penalty for punting somebody off when you damage your car.

[lcfp2297]

So you agree that Morris should be fined for his actions at the AGP this year...puhlease

IF THERE WAS NO CONTACT, HE WAS GONNA STACK ANYWAY!

Can I put it any clearer than that?

As logical as McConvilles first comment..."I got a tap from Ingall"...Why don't we fine Ingall as well???

[rdmdog]

Just think of how bad his body will be in 15 years time if BigNose is a yard stick?

[GTRMagic]

About as good as Mark Noske making the badboys list at the end of the weekend.... and he was a professional autograph dissemination device for most of the weekend!

[1200Datto27]

I think that it was because Ingall was not near him. Have the Holden drivers been told to mention rusties name anytime they fall of the track.

[RaceTime]

If they have at least they should get told that he hadn't completed the race and was in the garage well before the incident they are trying to blame him for...