POWERnights! - Page 10

GBRM · 3 Sep 2007, 23:04 (Ref:2003126)

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Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Oh Gregor peerllleeaaasssse! All I said to you and Ian was that I did not think it was good form going on a closed club forum that has been put up to disguss club related matters and championships to then start promoting a rival series and tell everyone on the club forums how wonderful it was more or less encouraging guys to join in when we need drivers ourselves! I also said here (10/10ths) was the place for the posts and I still think that and think Ian must agree with me to post here now. Additional you may recollect me saying that although I have been out with Rod Birleys boys and enjoyed it I woukd not go on the CTRCC forums and try to promote Rod's championship as I think its unethical. You know you and Ian are not the only ones with limited budgets and prehaps not the best gear on their cars but we try to make the best of it come and have a close look around my car and you will see what I mean and the Dunlops Formula's are not that bad.

Does anyone here think I am incorrect on this one? Oh and I won't black ball you on the club site nor will anyone else, I will however reserve the right to comment on it. Also you are saying now that the club should actually promote your appearance in a rival series, I really do not understand your thinking there sorry mate.

I'm very sorry to disagree Al but the particular forum that Ian and I wrote on is not a closed forum (as I think a certain person showed!) and there is nothing wrong with Ian and I saying how good the PowerNight meeting was, as we both said the CTCRC is where we want to be. Also, this thread is all about PowerNights, so be warned!!

No matter what anyone says from whatever club the PowerNight meeting overall was very good; the saloon car race needed a bit more guidance over handicaps and the classic race needed more cars and a bit more structure but other than that it was a fantastic meeting.

From a club point of view both Ian and I have said we're more than happy where we are and we have the whole time been extremely supportive of the CTCRC and we will continue to be and would love to try and arrange a classic car club race in one of the PowerNight meets next year.

Al - If you want to highlight my tongue in cheek comment to Ian here then by all means do so but it doesn't help anyone unfortunately. I love the fact that in pre-74 and pre-83 we all have to run the same tyres, I don't think it suits the cars but at least it give us all a pretty level playing field unless certain people can afford shved tyres for every round and from what I've seen that's not the case.

I've not once said the CTCRC should promote my appearance in another round. What I said (on our CTCRC forum) was that I asked the club for CTCRC stickers (the proper little roundels with our logo) to put on my car so if it was photographed or filmed then the club logo would be seen. I thought I was trying to help but obviously your feeling isn't mutual Al and the club agreed with you. All I'll say is look at what several people within our club have posted and look at the pictures of my car. Maybe you think I'm lucky to be who I am and maybe you realise I'm unblucky to be who I am, either way I wanted stickers form the CTCRC on my car so that when the BRSCC got compliments on the PowerNights (which they will) and the camera gets mine oe Ian's car they know it's a BARC CTCRC car and nothing to do with the BRSCC.

As a complete aside and not really the place to post but just to let Al sleep at night I have no affinity to the BRSCC; for those that watch and support various BRSCC champiopnship they will know that Rod Birley is trying to beat my late Dad's race win record...good luck to Rod but obviously I won't back him and I Dad might have been a board memeber of the BRscc during the 70s/80s, as he was the BRDC, etc I have no affinity for any club other than the CTCRC as Dad told me how great is/was, he raced in it right at the beginning in '75, my uncle carried it on until the early '80s. Dad cam back in the '90s and '00s and now I am here!!

I have no intention to leave the CTRC other than for the odd one-off race and if PowerNights do come back next year than brilliant!!!

Al Weyman · 4 Sep 2007, 06:47 (Ref:2003256)

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and it was a shame that "the club" didn't give us a bit more "visibility", but then again they might black ball us......

So tounge in cheek or not what does that mean? It sounds to me like you were wanting the club to give your appearance in this alternate series more recognition and as I said no one is going to black ball you or anyone else.

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Also, this thread is all about PowerNights, so be warned!!

Why are you warning me, I am posting about a subject relevant to Powernights on a Powernights thread, have I done anything wrong here moderators?

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No matter what anyone says from whatever club the PowerNight meeting overall was very good;

Who is saying here that it was not?

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I'm very sorry to disagree Al but the particular forum that Ian and I wrote on is not a closed forum (as I think a certain person showed!)

Its not closed to you Gregor because you are a member but where the promotional Powernights post was inserted was in the private members only section of the site. The other 'certain person' that appeared in the public area is in my opinion best ignored because if anyone wants to come on to a club site and make derogatory comments then not have the bottle to tell us who he(she?) is they are not worthy of any further attention. If I came on here with an alias and started slagging off the forum it would not be tolerated I will tell you that for nothing and why should it?

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As a complete aside and not really the place to post but just to let Al sleep at night I have no affinity to the BRSCC

Gregor I could not give a toss if you were sleeping with the CEO's daughter, why should I. I actually quite like them anyhow the few times I have ever dealt with them.

Rod Birley · 4 Sep 2007, 07:03 (Ref:2003268)

Gregor, I think it is unlikely I will surpass your father's record. He was very fortunate to find drives in a wide variety of good cars. You are more than welcome to race with the BARC south east centre, we even have a series (tin tops) for cars on treaded tyres. I believe your CTCRC championship concludes at Oulton Park in late September, so may be you would like to come to Lydden on Oct 6th. Two races for £135. Good luck with your future races and above all, have fun.

Chris Y · 4 Sep 2007, 08:46 (Ref:2003337)

Ok, no more discussion please about private forums, and inter-club politics. This thread is about PowerNights and any further arguments about who said what on other forums will be removed - sorry.

GBRM · 4 Sep 2007, 09:18 (Ref:2003370)

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Originally Posted by Rod Birley

Gregor, I think it is unlikely I will surpass your father's record. He was very fortunate to find drives in a wide variety of good cars. You are more than welcome to race with the BARC south east centre, we even have a series (tin tops) for cars on treaded tyres. I believe your CTCRC championship concludes at Oulton Park in late September, so may be you would like to come to Lydden on Oct 6th. Two races for £135. Good luck with your future races and above all, have fun.

Thanks Rod. I'm sure you'll give it a good go and good luck.

Thanks for the invite, I would like to race at Lydden on the 6th. It was one of Dad's favourite tracks and it was the scene of the first English race victory of a Vauxhall Firenza. My season with the CTCRC does end late September and I have a friend competing in the PPC championship which I think is also ay Lydden on the 6th, so would tie-in nicely. Can you tell me where I can find the regs/entry forms?

How come you didn't do the PowerNights Rod? I would have thought you and the guy with the Falcon would have had a superb battle in the Saloon car race??

Robin_D · 4 Sep 2007, 09:24 (Ref:2003373)

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Originally Posted by GBRM

I would have thought you and the guy with the Falcon would have had a superb battle in the Saloon car race??

They already did the Sunday before Gregor. It was a liiiittle bit close at times!

GBRM · 4 Sep 2007, 10:01 (Ref:2003400)

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Originally Posted by Robin_D

They already did the Sunday before Gregor. It was a liiiittle bit close at times!

I read there was a small incident but from what I heard Rod held his hands up about it so it was a shame they didn't give it another go at Silverstone for the PowerNight.

Al Weyman · 4 Sep 2007, 10:18 (Ref:2003422)

Thats the whole point in a nutshell graphically illustrated Gregor, its more or less impossible for the majority of guys to do both as with you two it was either/or and you are not alone, you chose to do it great no problem but you like others who did probably did not do their regular round the following weekend and that is the point I am trying to make! Greg Rose seems to have an inexhaustable supply of cars and good luck to him he even found time to show Gerard the way home with CMS earlier in the year in a Cossie but I believe Rod only has the Cossie so even if the funds were there and time off work was not a concideraton, physically turning the car around in such a short space of time could well be impractical.

Ian Sowman · 4 Sep 2007, 16:39 (Ref:2003681)

I still think the argument you're labouring about people either doing Powernights or their 'regular series' is exaggerated Al. A lot of people are simply taking part in the day for the testing - which many do anyway - with the benefit of a couple of races chucked on at the end. I'm sure a number of the FF1600 drivers were at Silverstone National for some pre-Walter Hayes Trophy mileage.

COLIN STUBBS · 4 Sep 2007, 21:26 (Ref:2003868)

Just heard on the grapevine the next Powernights event is having a one off race for Chevy Camaros......Ok Ill get my coat now.Goodnight.

Al Weyman · 4 Sep 2007, 21:49 (Ref:2003884)

They would never fnd enough of those beautiful rare magnificient machines to fill a grid.

R59 · 5 Sep 2007, 07:38 (Ref:2004053)

Looking at the crowd figures, I would say that Powernights is a success so far, in that the last meeting had something around 4000 spectators, which is far better than the three men and a dog who turn up for most meetings (where it's only the dog that's interested, and the men get turned away for bringing the dog in the first place - except at Lydden!!)

It is what the sport should be about - entertainment, not the clubs which are populated with people with a whim to drive a certain brand of car on track.

I keep harping on about it, but if the sport is to survive long term, it has to become an entertainment to rival footing the ball, drawing similar crowds, with drivers considered as personalities/celebrities, with media coverage to match, and that requires marketing, and a complete change to the way things are run, with circuits taking over running their own meetings, and clubs just being clubs, not organisers.

Al Weyman · 5 Sep 2007, 08:10 (Ref:2004065)

Alright I may be back peddling here and maybe it was just unfortunate that both Gregor and Ian who would have been out with me (possibly) at Donington if this had not been on made me a bit defensive against the event. If it is on next year and I have two cars up and running so my weekend stuff is not disrupted I amy even get one of them out for a bash. I would like to see some outline regs for the historics thouh, maybe something very simple like your entered car runs to a set of nationally recognised regs (CTCRC, TopHat, FIA etc etc) and is entered as such. Thats what used to happen in other events I have done and it semed to work OK maybe even handicap depending on the dicipline the car is prepared to.

Stacy · 5 Sep 2007, 08:45 (Ref:2004079)

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Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Alright I may be back peddling here and maybe it was just unfortunate that both Gregor and Ian who would have been out with me (possibly) at Donington

Guys,

Could I just point out that while I was Competition Secretary of the CTCRC for 3 years, and indeed seconded back to the committee this year, I have raced outside of the clubs auspices and will continue to do so if it fits with what we might want to do in a given year.

Further, Pete Hallford (Sunday Group 1 Race Winner) is a long time member, ex-committee member, and current sponsor of Post Historics. Pete too races elsewhere on occasion.

Similarly, our own "Solid Gold Celia" races whereever and whenever she can, despite being our membership secretary.

So if we were to complain about Gregor's and Ian's excursion, it would be extremely unfair. The CTCRC is unquestionably home for us, and effort has been expended to make sure next years calendar and costs initiatives are particularly exciting too. That doesn't mean though that people can't have a weekend off should they so choose.

Glad you enjoyed it Gregor and Ian. Might join you myself sometime if it works out, but I'm odd in that weekends are easier for me than weeknights!

All the best,

Stacy

Suze · 5 Sep 2007, 10:30 (Ref:2004155)

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Looking at the crowd figures, I would say that Powernights is a success so far, in that the last meeting had something around 4000 spectators, which is far better than the three men and a dog who turn up for most meetings (where it's only the dog that's interested, and the men get turned away for bringing the dog in the first place - except at Lydden!!)

Rob - as I said earlier in this thread [and haven't seen any response] it would be interesting to see a breakdown for the last meeting of paying spectators, free MN ticket spectators and hangers on [family, mechanics etc - people who have attended in that way]. I fear that the figures may be quite different, but then nobody ever really wants you to know that do they?

Robin_D · 5 Sep 2007, 10:41 (Ref:2004164)

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Originally Posted by Suze

Rob - as I said earlier in this thread [and haven't seen any response] it would be interesting to see a breakdown for the last meeting of paying spectators, free MN ticket spectators and hangers on [family, mechanics etc - people who have attended in that way]. I fear that the figures may be quite different, but then nobody ever really wants you to know that do they?

As I mentioned in this thread before, It wasn't all about paying spectators. Anyone that came along came for the racing and alot of people have been made aware that it isn't just F1 or Superbikes that race at Silverstone and Donington respectively. And hopefully getting them to come along and support normal club racing!
Next year will be probably more monitored for paying spectators etc. I for one haven't seen that many people in the grandstand and on the terraces at a clubbie. The racing was good and so was the atmosphere.

capri53b · 8 Sep 2007, 21:48 (Ref:2007097)

Well from what we were told at the drivers briefing there is going to be 8 races next year starting in June till the end of August, lets see what happens for me though I hope to get some kind of sponsorship from this And Gordon Spice will continue to coach me so we have a team but just no money. As is the case for most of us but we all keep trying as we love the sport..Yes me and Gregor had a fantastic time and no doubt we will do it again and we will continue to race with our club I can understand every ones views on this and that’s what a forum for. Any how here are the dates and times of when it’s being shown I hope to be at Oulton Pk on the 29th in Pre 93 ..or even PHT not sure yet .
3. Silverstone (30 August 2007)
17/09/07 at 18.30
18/09/07 at 03.00
18/09/07 at 13.00
20/09/07 at 12.00

Rod Birley · 8 Sep 2007, 22:05 (Ref:2007101)

Gregor, the entry forms for Oct,6th at Lydden are on the BARC website in the south centre section. I couldn't make the midweek meeting because of work. Don't get paid time off when you work for yourself. I was also getting busy organising the Lydden festival which went very well today.

capri53b · 8 Sep 2007, 22:36 (Ref:2007126)

Gregor have a look at powernights gallery 30th your in there...

Al Weyman · 9 Sep 2007, 07:25 (Ref:2007319)

Stacy at the risk of feeling Chris's wraith I would just like to point out again that my beef was about the promoting the PowerNights on the club site not here which IMHO is the correct thing to do and great why not thats one of the things this superb site is all about and it covers all aspects of the sport.

On your point about being a doubtful because of the weekends well that really is the problem especially if you are self employed and trying to run a business with regular customers that rely on you. Mind you I think the fact that the most popular 'series' in our club cannot even be registered as a championship either by an oversight or some other perculiar reason does not do our case much good and actually invites people not to dedicate to a particular championship/series and do other things on offer like Powernights as points are then irrelevant or more factually non existant as a points tally is illegal according to MSA/FIA rules.

Stacy · 9 Sep 2007, 21:46 (Ref:2007975)

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Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Stacy at the risk of feeling Chris's wraith

Hi,

I'm easy on either, just didn't see it as a significant issue.

Don't agree with the Pre-93 series/champ issue - it affects its stability not a jot, and in fact I'm currently looking at investing in a new car build. Certainly doesn't bother me.

As I said we'll all enjoy days out elsewhere - as I did this weekend sandwiching Donington and Thruxton with the 24hr. Wouldn't expect to be castigated for it in any case.

Cheers

S.