BTCC BTCC 2018 Rumours & Silly Season - Page 117

crmalcolm · 1 Mar 2018, 08:45 (Ref:3804834)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Good grief, of course you can! It’s a part, just like any other.

How do you think damaged road cars are re-shelled? Lol.

For most cars they are not just a single part though - they are a collection of parts installed at different stages along construction.

It may be possible to buy replacement parts separately though.

A road car damaged to the point of needing an entire re-shell would probably not be repaired.

AdrianM · 1 Mar 2018, 08:49 (Ref:3804835)

It's no problem at all to buy a complete bodyshell from the major manufacturers. You can buy them primed with or without closures (doors, tailgate, bonnets) etc. You can also buy side panels, roof panels, floors etc etc.

Worked as panel beater for years.

crmalcolm · 1 Mar 2018, 08:52 (Ref:3804836)

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Originally Posted by AdrianM

It's no problem at all to buy a complete bodyshell from the major manufacturers. You can buy them primed with or without closures (doors, tailgate, bonnets) etc. You can also buy side panels, roof panels, floors etc etc.

Worked as panel beater for years.

How much of a car is included in one bodyshell though.

If it's without closures, isn't it just a roof, pillar and rear arches?

peebee2 · 1 Mar 2018, 08:54 (Ref:3804837)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

A road car damaged to the point of needing an entire re-shell would probably not be repaired.

Jesus, look up Cat C. Now Cat S.

peebee2 · 1 Mar 2018, 08:56 (Ref:3804838)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

How much of a car is included in one bodyshell though.

If it's without closures, isn't it just a roof, pillar and rear arches?

Lol, what about the floorpan!! The most important part of any monocoque.

crmalcolm · 1 Mar 2018, 08:57 (Ref:3804839)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Jesus, look up Cat C. Now Cat S.

And what does that tell me?

Cat C - 'They often have just superficial body damage.' - not a full re-shell.

Robin Marriott · 1 Mar 2018, 08:59 (Ref:3804840)

The picture in this link it how they come from BMW

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...diagId=41_2206

It MAY be cheaper to buy a road car and sell bits but if you’re given a car/shell/discount off the production line, you’d be mad not to go for it.

I would say, if you’re in with a manufacturer, they’d give you the other panels in the deal...

RS67 · 1 Mar 2018, 09:26 (Ref:3804844)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Jesus, look up Cat C. Now Cat S.

A category c shouldn't need a reshell.

S griffin · 1 Mar 2018, 09:59 (Ref:3804852)

So it's gonna be hard to work out which 3 drivers Hollamby is thinking of, as they are multiple names that could fit the bill. Just hope he lets us know when

Matt K · 1 Mar 2018, 10:07 (Ref:3804859)

Hopefully AWE is on this list and will get this seat.

BobJones · 1 Mar 2018, 10:14 (Ref:3804861)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

So it's gonna be hard to work out which 3 drivers Hollamby is thinking of, as they are multiple names that could fit the bill. Just hope he lets us know when

All three sound interest propositions. Maybe number 3 isn't so well known — as a previous forum poster has alluded to. 2 sounds like AWE, and there aren't many options for 1 — a race winner is a race winner, so will be good to secure that deal.

btccbloke · 1 Mar 2018, 11:08 (Ref:3804878)

I would love it to be Jackson, I really think he can help take that MG forward and I think he will want to prove something this year now.
Unfortunately I dont think it will be, as im sure he will be out of the series, unless Motorbase sign AWE (who impressed them testing before)

peebee2 · 1 Mar 2018, 12:11 (Ref:3804889)

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Originally Posted by RS67

A category c shouldn't need a reshell.

To be precise, it is the only UK category that would be re-shelled although most, of course, only need partial/re-jig.

Anyway, difficult to believe anybody would choose to start with a complete used car as I suspect it would cost more, and would be less stiff. Though I concede some manufacturers might not want to play ball as they dislike the silhouette, “hot rod” style of the current BTCC cars.

Jiiiiiiim · 1 Mar 2018, 13:01 (Ref:3804901)

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Originally Posted by btccbloke

I would love it to be Jackson, I really think he can help take that MG forward and I think he will want to prove something this year now.
Unfortunately I dont think it will be, as im sure he will be out of the series, unless Motorbase sign AWE (who impressed them testing before)

Motorbase have their driver signed, so whoever is negotiating with AmD that’s their only BTCC option. AWE has ruled himself out of the Motorbase drive on social media, saying it’s definitely not him!

S griffin · 1 Mar 2018, 13:05 (Ref:3804902)

So Motorbase have already got their driver, another one we have to wait and see for

btccbloke · 1 Mar 2018, 13:23 (Ref:3804905)

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Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

Motorbase have their driver signed, so whoever is negotiating with AmD that’s their only BTCC option. AWE has ruled himself out of the Motorbase drive on social media, saying it’s definitely not him!

do we know they have for sure? ive seen nothing confirming this

Matt K · 1 Mar 2018, 13:34 (Ref:3804908)

I'm really curious who's going to drive for Motorbase. I'd go for Rory Butcher or Martin Depper.

Dudley · 1 Mar 2018, 13:47 (Ref:3804910)

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Originally Posted by antnee

I don't think you can phone up VW, Ford, Merc, etc and ask to buy a bodyshell.

Common situation is to buy flood damaged cars, as the shells are stripped to bare metal the flooding has no adverse effects. In fact, there was a Octavia VRS in an early build stage that was a flooded write-off, but the funding wasn't there to complete the build.

Was that the one Matt Hamilton was trying to get into the BTCC?

S griffin · 1 Mar 2018, 13:53 (Ref:3804912)

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Originally Posted by Dudley

Was that the one Matt Hamilton was trying to get into the BTCC?

Probably, can’t remember any other team trying to get the Octavia into the series

antnee · 1 Mar 2018, 14:08 (Ref:3804914)

Yeah it was Matt.

RS67 · 1 Mar 2018, 14:28 (Ref:3804918)

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Originally Posted by peebee2

Anyway, difficult to believe anybody would choose to start with a complete used car as I suspect it would cost more, and would be less stiff.

It wouldn't matter if it was a bare shell supplied straight from the factory or a 2nd hand road car, there won't be any difference in stiffness. The shells would be identical.

Robin Marriott · 1 Mar 2018, 15:09 (Ref:3804930)

The stiffness of a shell does go down over time, joints aren’t fully welded so you can get stress points around spot welds or bonded joins, just google E46 BMW boot floor...

Not too much of a problem as an NGTC build would involve seam welding the whole car anyway but there’s potentially more prep work in a 3 year old car than a new one.

Alfisti · 1 Mar 2018, 15:14 (Ref:3804931)

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Originally Posted by btccbloke

do we know they have for sure? ive seen nothing confirming this

Yip. Announcement will be waiting to coincide with a sponsor announcement I would imagine...

Matt K · 1 Mar 2018, 16:15 (Ref:3804943)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Yip. Announcement will be waiting to coincide with a sponsor announcement I would imagine...

Sponsor announcement? The second car will have Shredded Wheat as a primary sponsor, I doubt the driver announcement will be connected with sponsor announcement.

btccbloke · 1 Mar 2018, 16:20 (Ref:3804945)

not sure where you have got that info from.
But I can only assume it to be Mr Depper and the continued espares stickers on the cars

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