Delta's tea-break thingy, the lighter wassname - 2013

[midgetman]

Did anyone see this? David Piper suing Mark Hales for damage caused to his 917 engine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...-explodes.html

Apparently Mark Hales lost and Internet tittle tattle reckons it cost £50k damages, £63k for Piper's cost, plus his own.

We've all been there haven't we? It's one of the hazards of sharing a car, but at least none of my cars or the cars I borrow are ever in the same financial ball park!

[terence]

Err,yes,we have.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by midgetman

We've all been there haven't we? It's one of the hazards of sharing a car, but at least none of my cars or the cars I borrow are ever in the same financial ball park!

I'm surprised they didn't have something in writing, as it was hardly a couple of mates doing a race together. The "you bend it, you mend it" philosophy is a simple but sound one- except when damage is caused by a mechanical failure. If I overdrive a mates car and put in the barrier, that's one thing. But if the suspension breaks due to old age or similar and I do the same thing, is it the same?

[Al Weyman]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Did anyone see this? David Piper suing Mark Hales for damage caused to his 917 engine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...-explodes.html

Apparently Mark Hales lost and Internet tittle tattle reckons it cost £50k damages, £63k for Piper's cost, plus his own.

We've all been there haven't we? It's one of the hazards of sharing a car, but at least none of my cars or the cars I borrow are ever in the same financial ball park!

Oh dear how interesting. I have to say I have met both gentlemen David recently at Goodwood after last meeting him when I worked for Roger Nathan at Fortis Green Rd where David also had a workshop back in the late 60's. Mark by coincidence I also met at Goodwood when as chairman of the Racing Saloon Car Club the track was hired to do a track test on our Modified Production Saloons. Well I had better not say too much as this case is on going but suffice to say some of our guys were very unhappy the way their mounts were treated in the test, I will post more in detail once the case is over as not fair to give details online at this moment.

[Al Weyman]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

. If I overdrive a mates car and put in the barrier, that's one thing. But if the suspension breaks due to old age or similar and I do the same thing, is it the same?

Intersting scenario Mike and I know we have touched this before but what I want to know is if in the above circumstances you are seriously injured or even dead as a result of the crash is the car owner not left wide open for an ambulance chaser law suite for compensation especially if it was a failure but poor preparation.

[GORDON STREETER]

I have driven other peoples cars over the years but would never push their car as much as my own.
Obviously a tell tale on the rev counter is a must but saying all that it's a ba***rd if an "incident" is caused by another wayward car that causes you to crash.
That's when you find out if your mate really is your mate !

[GORDON STREETER]

As regards David Piper I remember him loosing a leg in a crash during the filming of "Le Mans"
It was very unfortunate how it happened as it was in the aftermath of the crash, although he had a serious cut in his leg.it had unfortunately been infected with brake fluid and had to be amputated.

[nicanary]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

Oh dear how interesting. I have to say I have met both gentlemen David recently at Goodwood after last meeting him when I worked for Roger Nathan at Fortis Green Rd where David also had a workshop back in the late 60's. Mark by coincidence I also met at Goodwood when as chairman of the Racing Saloon Car Club the track was hired to do a track test on our Modified Production Saloons. Well I had better not say too much as this case is on going but suffice to say some of our guys were very unhappy the way their mounts were treated in the test, I will post more in detail once the case is over as not fair to give details online at this moment.

Reminds me of the Top Gear/Adrian Hamilton C-Type scenario.

[SAMD]

Originally Posted by nicanary

Reminds me of the Top Gear/Adrian Hamilton C-Type scenario.

Hit the Red button Man Dear and watch Sons and Daughters of Derry, Snow Patrol are on at the min.

[terence]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

As regards David Piper I remember him loosing a leg in a crash during the filming of "Le Mans"
It was very unfortunate how it happened as it was in the aftermath of the crash, although he had a serious cut in his leg.it had unfortunately been infected with brake fluid and had to be amputated.

And,with Davids permission,they left the crash sequence in. Steve McQueen ensured the David got the best possible medical attention in the best French Hospital.

[zefarelly]

I let a journalist drive my car last year, it was only at the porsche experience place, so he harldy got the chance to get out of 3rd gear, I was riding as passenger. I would never let him race it, his driving was woefully unsympathetic, IMO typical of a driver of modern machines with no mechanical knowledge , constantly looking for a cars limit without any knowledge or experience of the cars or his own. I didn't feel 'unsafe' at the speeds, but feared for the cars mechanicals.

I've handed the car to a few pro's and thus far never had any problems. And have leant it to a friend and will share with another . . . you just need to gauge the individual as best you can.

I might also addits also very dependant on the spec of the car . . . . highly strung machines need treating accordingly . . . . hire cars should be prepared and tuned accordingly.

[Mike Bell]

Getting back to the weather, another 6" of the white stuff greeting Norfolk this morn. How did south east corner get on?

Last week it was Alpine snow and cold, and not difficult to drive or walk on. Today we are back to normal UK slush, which is a complete pain to move about in. Even managed to get car temporarily stuck at workshop- until realised was on lock when thought wheels were straight ahead! Need to get bit of tape at 12 o'clock on steering wheel, rally style......

[johngee]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Getting back to the weather, another 6" of the white stuff greeting Norfolk this morn. How did south east corner get on?

Small and unscientific report from Surrey. About 4"/5" of snow - side roads have packed snow but seem passable with care - lots of 'home counties Chelsea Tractors' are about but most main roads seem clear.
I'm just about to clear the snow off the car and see how I get on. It will be the first time that I've driven this car on slippery roads - rear wheel drive, supercharged and automatic - not forgotten that I'm still recovering from my stroke, so not the best combination - wish me luck!

[Mike Bell]

Take it steady John! Did you see the Range Rover last week that slid and punted a Vectra or something over the edge! Safer in a 4x4......

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Take it steady John! Did you see the Range Rover last week that slid and punted a Vectra or something over the edge! Safer in a 4x4......

It happened in our TV area so it got loads of local coverage. I may have laughed....and laughed.....and laughed!!!!!!!!! I'm *so* fed up of people telling me they don't need skid control lessons because they've got 4WD/traction control/ESC whatever.

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Did you see the Range Rover last week that slid and punted a Vectra or something over the edge! Safer in a 4x4......

It depends on the tyres! Winter tyres on the BM and I've not had a problem yet.

[terence]

Originally Posted by midgetman

It happened in our TV area so it got loads of local coverage. I may have laughed....and laughed.....and laughed!!!!!!!!! I'm *so* fed up of people telling me they don't need skid control lessons because they've got 4WD/traction control/ESC whatever.

It should be part of the driving test. Surprising the amount of scummie mummies driving their prince's/princess's about who haven't got a ****** clue on how to drive normally let alone in different conditions.

[zefarelly]

about 4" here, main roads are clear, minors and sides are good for drifting, we've been up on the southdowns in the legacy no problem, sledding and had plenty of snowball fights.

The chickens were a bit freaked out at first, and the pavements are a bit icy, but its business as usual

[johngee]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Take it steady John!

I did Mike thank you. Despite my misgivings about the configuration of the car, it handled like a dream.
I will now do a 'bread and milk' run for the elderly (or should I say 'more elderly ) locals who don't fancy the conditions. They all think that I'm mad anyway!

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by andy97

It depends on the tyres! Winter tyres on the BM and I've not had a problem yet.

Spot on. Perceived wisdom is that the purchase of "Winter" tyres is a better use of money on your base model car than buying the 4X4 version if there is one. Unfortunately, and I don't know if it has changed yet, there is documented evidence of one insurance company refusing to insure a car fitted with "Winter" tyres as they are a "modification". But I know the motoring organisations were on the case so maybe it's changed.

[delta]

Not had much time to post ATM.Still cycling to work its now 15 miles and takes me an hour and a half but one hour going home."down hill".Only went over once this morning on the ice.

[delta]

Forgot too say there was a sign out side the village hall this morning saying "over 60's dinner still on ". Hmmmm better not.Also we have had the first race of the year 10k run. Max beat me by 5sec's but I was 18th in the over 60 class.

[Colin McKay]

Spent Saturday with one of my boys advising on the purchase of a new bike (doesn't seem that long ago I was taking them!), the old bike's cried enough. By the time we got home the snow had started so went out for a quick slither. By 8am Sunday when I normally go out with a couple of neighbours for an hour or two on the byways there was a healthy covering on the Downs so lit a fire, put the coffee on and only ventured out later to give the dog a run, not that he really wanted to. Perfect winter Sunday and no need to clean the bike.

[terence]

Originally Posted by johngee

I did Mike thank you. Despite my misgivings about the configuration of the car, it handled like a dream.
I will now do a 'bread and milk' run for the elderly (or should I say 'more elderly ) locals who don't fancy the conditions. They all think that I'm mad anyway!

You could have referred them to us John,we could have put them straight.

[johngee]

Originally Posted by terence bower

You could have referred them to us John,we could have put them straight.

What? To destroy my reputation even further?