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11 Jan 2018, 02:12 (Ref:3791884) | #326 | |
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You could potentially model a new sedan class off the GT4 ruleset. The only key difference being the body shape.
Or just re-jig the existing rules to run the Mustang, the Zed, and the Camaro shapes regardless of manufacturer input, using the existing V8 and V6 Supercar engines. Before anyone pipes up, yes a V8 fits in the Zed. |
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It absolutely mystifies me why this hasn't occurred already.
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The Italian V8 Superstars series were essentially production-based V8 sedans, and they were quite lumbering and slow, given the high weights of most V8 production sedans. With production-cars, weight would be up from the circa 1360kg of the current V8 Supercars to more like 1760kg and power would be much less, down from 700bhp to around 500bhp. V8 Superstars racing: https://youtu.be/8w5QsL_ISdU?t=17m35s Good variety though, and the Italians don't seem to have heard of the phrases "muffler" or "trackside noise limit" which is pretty amusing! could one could argue Italian Superstars racing went out of business due to lack of environmental sensitivity and/or lack of manufacturer support? Is itimportant that Australian Supercars shows environmental sensivity and adopt hybrid powertrains with downsized eco-turbo power units, say a 1.6L turbo four? Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 11 Jan 2018 at 09:32. |
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11 Jan 2018, 11:13 (Ref:3791950) | #330 | |
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if we introduce Gt4 in Australia as main stream Motorsport we have killed mainstream motorsport in Australia.
Go back to drawing board and do it quick thats why the Super Gt/DTM is a good startegy. It is much quicker than GT4 (and even gt3) |
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Why is speed such a determining factor with the mainstream public?
From the TV and trackside - how many are going to pick the difference in speed in the racing is strong & close? |
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12 Jan 2018, 01:38 (Ref:3792173) | #332 | |
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Speed doesn't matter, it's about finding the right balance between sporting quality and excitement. And with that, the answer is Super GT (which is coincidentally a hell of a lot faster than a Supercar).
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12 Jan 2018, 03:28 (Ref:3792189) | #333 | ||
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Because the ‘Lap of the Gods’ and the ‘Lap of the Jandal’ are played over & over & over in the media to the extent that their continued improvement creates ‘legend’ status..
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Do you live in a fantasy world? The costs of building and running Super GT and DTM make even the GT3 cars look cheap. In a time when costs need to be cut we would be going the opposite way. You adopt those rules the grid gets halved straight away and the category dies off in 1-2 years. I think GT4 is a much better starting point. Adopt that to the local scene as suggested several posts up and it would be far cheaper and sustainable too. |
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I dont think people understand how much more expensive Class One is. As spectacular as Super GT is, it is not a viable option for such a small market here in Australia. We have to go our own way like BTCC has done in England. Costs have to be cut and if it makes the cars slower but still has close racing then its no detriment to the category. |
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12 Jan 2018, 06:43 (Ref:3792209) | #337 | ||
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However I believe there is an awful lot that we could learn from the way Super GT conducts itself and that there is room for improvement if Supercars could follow some of the same themes and ideals as Super GT. |
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What did the sport do prior to 2003 and in the 14 years prior to McLaughlins lap? Brock, Moffat, Johnson etc seem to build legend status and the sport did ok with building interest in the media and public. I think you are placing to much importance on it. |
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12 Jan 2018, 07:43 (Ref:3792216) | #340 | ||
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GT4 would be a good starting point for a new or reborn "top level" series, with the only issue being that the Sports Cars are running the faster GT3 cars. Class One is also not the answer. They are further removed from reality than a Supercar, and the cost to build one is stupidly expensive. The budget that the Germans have to run a squad of cars would probably be able to put you somewhere on the F1 grid, and that is with full manufacturer support. |
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Speed is an odd one. People go on about it, and it's right that we expect our race cars to outperform their street counterparts. But ask the public to watch two cars 4 seconds apart over a few kms, and they'd be hard put to spot the difference. And all that speed comes at a cost.
On top of which, speed does not necessarily equate to great racing. In fact the opposite is often true. Over the years some of the best racing I've watched involve 2CVs, MG Midgets, original style Minis... None of which can be described as fast but all of which were hugely entertaining. DTM is certainly very quick, but good racing? Generally not. |
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12 Jan 2018, 23:21 (Ref:3792384) | #345 | ||
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You can buy a new TA2 car in Australia for $120k. Engine rebuilds scheduled for 3/4 seasons, some people ran their cars for the whole season in Australia without even having to change brake pads. Not as quick as a Sports Sedan, but far less maintenance.
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13 Jan 2018, 03:29 (Ref:3792401) | #346 | |
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On that sort of note, I wonder how cheaply you could build something to a comparable pace (/reliability?) as a current Supercar if you didn't have the restrictions on weight, capacity, aero, tyre, etc. What would the MARC guys come up with, for example?
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If the ATCC/Supercars Championship changed the rules to the current Australian Production Car regulations next year and Triple 8 rocked up to the Adelaide 500 with a bunch of ZB Commodore's driven by Lowndes, SVG and Whincup, if DJR Team Penske rocked up with Mustangs/Focus' driven by Mclaughlin, Mostert & Winterbottom, if BJR turned up with the currently competitive BMW's etc etc... do you think the "Clipsal" crowd would be much smaller? You won't get a proper answer until that happens. A 6hr race at Bathurst for a completely seperate racing series is no guide whatsoever |
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14 Jan 2018, 04:51 (Ref:3792610) | #348 | ||
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Well, that is a MARC car, and they are circa $250k
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14 Jan 2018, 13:13 (Ref:3792667) | #349 | |
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Actually thought they were a bit cheaper than that. But anyway, forgot them for a minute. Part I'm actually interested in is realistically speaking, is there ac car that can be built at current Supercars pace for less money?
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Pace yes, safety, longevity and serviceability questionable.
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