WTCC Race 7 & 8 - Pau (FRA), 17th May 2009 - Page 2

touring fan01 · 12 May 2009, 13:18 (Ref:2460905)

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Originally Posted by awrb

I seem to think the Lacetti's in Britain keep the waivers they had in the WTCC as well, or at least they did last year.

All the WTCC waivers don't apply in the BTCC. For example I read that at Thruxton the Lacetti's were made to reduce their non-homologated 'radiator bracket' which gives them an aero advantage but which the WTCC allow them to use.

helterskelter · 12 May 2009, 18:11 (Ref:2461115)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

In the BTCC they allowed -20 for sequential, so the cars are still +10 over the H pattern.

Absolutely true. After the Brands Hatch weekend some thought that the weight reduction favoured the BMWs too much. We'll have to wait at least a couple of more races until we can finally have a complete opinion, from my point of view. Certainly it is a big advantage as, according to some people, the H pattern, 5 speed gearbox gives a huge penalty to the BMWs. I remember in Imola, where the Wtcc 320sis always reached the maximum rev limit towards the end of the main straight, but that's just one example.

MikeD · 12 May 2009, 20:49 (Ref:2461214)

No Tanev in the Proteam BMW. Has he run out of sponsor money?

awrb · 12 May 2009, 22:18 (Ref:2461282)

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Originally Posted by MikeD

No Tanev in the Proteam BMW. Has he run out of sponsor money?

I imagine they looked at how much slower he is than Porteiro and realised there was no hope. Unless his car was damaged like Postiglione's.

werner · 13 May 2009, 09:12 (Ref:2461500)

Would he have expected to be close anyway? Because his experience lies mainly in the Bulgarian rallychampionship, and 1 year in the touringcarchampionship. And I doubt that the level is even slightly comparable to the WTCC.

**FIRE** · 13 May 2009, 09:18 (Ref:2461508)

5 private SEATs vs 5 private BMWs! Why is the SEAT so popular this year?

Bennani is doing rest of the (European) season?

werner · 13 May 2009, 11:02 (Ref:2461565)

That's easy: weightrules

helterskelter · 13 May 2009, 22:13 (Ref:2462037)

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Originally Posted by werner

That's easy: weightrules

Do you think so? I think there are also some other factors.
I think more that, since they are old, maybe they're getting cheaper and cheaper. Also, two drivers came from the Seat Leòn Eurocup, maybe they had some 'attention' from the Spanish manufacturer.

**FIRE** · 14 May 2009, 09:56 (Ref:2462224)

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Originally Posted by helterskelter

I think more that, since they are old, maybe they're getting cheaper and cheaper.

Was thinking about this reason too.

helterskelter · 14 May 2009, 16:25 (Ref:2462436)

No Tanev, too. Porteiro only Proteam driver in Pau.

werner · 14 May 2009, 18:37 (Ref:2462528)

If drivers wanted cheaper cars, then you would also see some older BMW's, and the Honda's of N-tech. Yet al the BMW's in the championship are brandnew. I think the Supercopa-argument is more credible; it shares a lot of parts with the wtcc-car, so drivers will need much less time to adapt to their new car.

THIM · 14 May 2009, 19:12 (Ref:2462550)

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Originally Posted by werner

If drivers wanted cheaper cars, then you would also see some older BMW's, and the Honda's of N-tech. Yet al the BMW's in the championship are brandnew. I think the Supercopa-argument is more credible; it shares a lot of parts with the wtcc-car, so drivers will need much less time to adapt to their new car.

Older BMWs are still 320i BMWs, so they have penalty weight as manufacturer cars

And Eurocup Leons are much diffrent, than S-2000.

awrb · 14 May 2009, 21:03 (Ref:2462611)

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Originally Posted by THIM

Older BMWs are still 320i BMWs, so they have penalty weight as manufacturer cars

And Eurocup Leons are much diffrent, than S-2000.

It's done on car not manufacturer, so the E46 would be treated differently from the E90. Hence why the petrol and diesel Leons are different. I'm still surprised there's no Lacetti's in the WTCC. They'd be in a good position to fight for the indy title.

helterskelter · 15 May 2009, 09:34 (Ref:2462831)

Werner, what you say is correct, except that the Leòn Tfsi is still developed while the BMW 320i E46 is a three-years old car, as far as I can remember. BTW, the E46 would enjoy the same weight rules as the Leon Tfsi, as awrb correctly stated.
Yeah, Lacettis would be great, I believe Nykjaer said he'd give a try on doing some European races with the Lacetti.
I was also thinking: do you believe it is realistic that Chevrolet Europe didn't encourage the use of the Lacetti in the Wtcc because if they were faster than the Cruzes it would have been bad for the marketing?

THIM · 15 May 2009, 10:15 (Ref:2462846)

E46 is very old in terms of World Championship. Only Thompson with great team and great car (in it's time

) can do this

**FIRE** · 16 May 2009, 11:25 (Ref:2463369)

Practice 1
Practice 2

So far no manufacturer is dominating.

Hazard · 16 May 2009, 12:46 (Ref:2463406)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Practice 1
Practice 2

So far no manufacturer is dominating.

Don't agree. BMW top 3, first SEAT in 14th - hmmm. Looks like BMW are very strong for a change.

Sorry, first DIESEL SEAT in 14th - all the TFSI's are faster.

Welcome back Bennani.

Hazard · 16 May 2009, 13:27 (Ref:2463418)

Qually one is nearly over - it looks like none of the TDI SEAT's are going to make it to the top 10!

Hazard · 16 May 2009, 13:33 (Ref:2463420)

Rydell will be the top TDI starting in 15th.

The following go into the next session to decide the top 10

BMW: Priaulx, Muller, Farfus, Porteiro, Engstler, Hernandez
Chevrolet: Larini, Huff (fastest), Menu
SEAT: Coronel

Hazard · 16 May 2009, 13:51 (Ref:2463427)

Andy Priaulx has taken pole position from Augusto Farfus. Tom Coronel will start third for SEAT. The Chevy's line up 5th-7th.

Ouch for SEAT.

**FIRE** · 16 May 2009, 14:37 (Ref:2463440)

Qualifying
Top 10 qualifying

SEAT

For the first time the SEAT diesels have a turbo pressure which was exactly 2.5 bar instead of 3 or 4 bar?

Coronel

Robbe · 16 May 2009, 15:20 (Ref:2463452)

http://www.italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=23264&cat=18

Seat considering withdrawal from Pau weekend, and also warn that things in Valencia won't be different.

I'm so tired of the WTCC vicious circle (SEAT win - BMW cry - FIA change - BMW win - SEAT cry - FIA change...), I really think it'd be better when both BMW and SEAT leave.

This series has done everything in the last years to become just as ridiculous as DTM.

Hazard · 16 May 2009, 15:48 (Ref:2463469)

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Originally Posted by Robbe

http://www.italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=23264&cat=18

Seat considering withdrawal from Pau weekend, and also warn that things in Valencia won't be different.

I'm so tired of the WTCC vicious circle (SEAT win - BMW cry - FIA change - BMW win - SEAT cry - FIA change...), I really think it'd be better when both BMW and SEAT leave.

This series has done everything in the last years to become just as ridiculous as DTM.

Any help translating?

smokinjo · 16 May 2009, 16:04 (Ref:2463473)

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=3476

so what did fia do to the turbo boost rules?

JMeissner · 16 May 2009, 16:09 (Ref:2463475)

Further information about SEAT's anger over rule changes:

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=3478

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