Adjustable rear wing - Page 2

Fox89 · 27 Mar 2011, 08:55 (Ref:2854009)

Right I'm not reading the whole thread

, so here's my view after round 1 on the DRS:

Very happy with it. There was a concern it would just be a 'push to pass' button, but in this race it didn't really work like that. I see it working as a way of leveling the playing field, the turbulent air being cancelled out. It gives the following driver a chance to get into the slipstream rather than just driving past. We saw the system deployed a significant number of times but only a few overtakes, and I don't think any of the passes we saw where the DRS contributed were 'cheap'. The skill involved to get to that position and make the pass stick was still there.

Also, it's not just making one overtaking zone. Vettel commented in the press conference how the DRS helped him close on Button on the pit straight, which then meant he was close enough to challenge into 3. Overall I think it worked very well and is an excellent addition to the sport. I hope it works similarly on every track.

Knowlesy · 27 Mar 2011, 08:57 (Ref:2854011)

The DRS was rather dumbed down here though due to it being used on the piddly Melbourne straight.

At somewhere like Barcelona it is going to be a free pass.

Fox89 · 27 Mar 2011, 09:01 (Ref:2854016)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The DRS was rather dumbed down here though due to it being used on the piddly Melbourne straight.

At somewhere like Barcelona it is going to be a free pass.

Well that depends on where they allow it to be activated. Sure if they get the whole pit straight its a free pass, but if it cuts in halfway down or something it should have a similar...how should I put this... 'stimulating' effect on the racing without destroying it.

So basically, the success of this system will depend on how sensible the FIA are!

Mr V · 27 Mar 2011, 10:22 (Ref:2854070)

We still saw cars struggling to pass the car in front dispite using the DRS so i have nothing against it.

Super Hans · 27 Mar 2011, 12:09 (Ref:2854130)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

At somewhere like Barcelona it is going to be a free pass.

At Barcelona it's a struggle to stay on an opponent's tail through the final turns. There are fears that drivers might not get close enough to activate the DRS on the pit straight.

Personally, I was quite happy with the DRS today. It gave the following driver enough benefit to cancel out the dirty air of the car in-front, without making it a farcical free-for-all.

stripedcat · 27 Mar 2011, 12:41 (Ref:2854149)

It doesn't seem to make much difference to the racing. Admittedly Australia isn't an easy place to pass on. I tend to agree that in Spain it won't help overtaking.

The racing was close, but sadly not many overtakes. We seem to have replaced fuel stops with tyre stops now. Although Perez seem to handle the new tyres well.

Paradise City · 27 Mar 2011, 13:26 (Ref:2854178)

An unimpressive gimmick. My stomach lurched slightly when the caption said 'lap 2: DRS on' or whatever it was. If it made a difference at all it wasn't justified.

Just yet another glossy graphic for the commentators to fill their time talking about.

Fox89 · 27 Mar 2011, 13:29 (Ref:2854182)

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It doesn't seem to make much difference to the racing

Well we'll never know for sure if that's true. But I think we saw 3 or 4 passes today that probably wouldn't have been possible without this system in place, and it didn't remove the skill required to overtake. I think on the whole the effect was largely beneficial.

**Adam43** · 27 Mar 2011, 17:26 (Ref:2854312)

A decent debut for the device. It probably did help with a few moves, but didn't help too much. As with the tyres, considering what it was asked to do, it was a decent first effort.

Marbot · 27 Mar 2011, 18:10 (Ref:2854351)

Sometimes the DRS helped and sometimes it didn't. It wasn't guaranteeing an overtake. The driver still had to make it work.

As for the tyres - don't know what all the fuss is about. Maybe Sepang will be a bit more of a challenge for them ?

Chiefy · 27 Mar 2011, 18:32 (Ref:2854374)

David Coulthard is right when he says it's just another piece of equipment at the drivers' disposal - so they're obliged to get on with using it as well as they can. But Niki Lauda really hit the nail on the head when he said that at least with turbo boosts they could use it when they wanted to, and not when the FIA said they were permitted to.

The idea of confining the boost to one straight bewilders me. In Australia it allowed drivers to consider making that all-important move into T1, elsewhere it will be easier for drivers to pass using it. But better still would be to let the drivers use it when they want it, as in qualifying. Adrian Sutil might drop it off the exit of a corner again, but someone else might really make it work and spring a surprise.

Although it's 'artificial overtaking' it is still the great F1 fusion of man and machine, with the driver having to be able to operate the gadgetry before it does anything for him.

JeremySmith · 27 Mar 2011, 20:27 (Ref:2854471)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

As for the tyres - don't know what all the fuss is about. Maybe Sepang will be a bit more of a challenge for them ?

There is no fuss is there?

Burp · 27 Mar 2011, 22:34 (Ref:2854538)

I thought it worked well. Wasnt a sure thing pass device. Needed some skill to use it right. Did anyone else see Massa using kers to defend against Buttons wing. then a lap later Button had kept some of his kers and used them both together. Still didnt pass but it was a good scrap. Certainly better than watching them line astearn for lap after lap.

Let them use it anywhere during the race but have a limited amount of times they can use it.

In quali its great imo. Another tool for the driver to use to get the best out of the car. Brings another element of skill into it. Is it any different to TGF changing his brake balance every 200 metres? and they can get it wrong (Sutil)

All in all not a bad debut, will need some proper thinking about on Tilke length straights tho or the car in front will be a sitting duck

wnut · 27 Mar 2011, 23:52 (Ref:2854587)

Exceeded my expectations, thoroughly enjoyed the Button Massa dice while it was on. One of the best we've seen for a long time, and protracted attempts, not one desperate Dan lunge and then nothing. Good dice!

TrapezeArtist · 28 Mar 2011, 09:40 (Ref:2854742)

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Originally Posted by Fox89

So basically, the success of this system will depend on how sensible the FIA are!

That's a bit worrying, then.

If anything, I would have liked the system to be slightly more effective than it turned out to be in Oz. However, it's better to err on the "less" side rather than "more". If it negates the effect of dirty air in the preceding corner, then it's doing a good job. And I think it's a good idea to have the decision point line a couple of corners before the straight, so that dirty air in the last corner doesn't break the 1 second gap.

It would have been nice to see the system available in one or two other places around the lap though.

Spritle · 28 Mar 2011, 11:35 (Ref:2854795)

The FIA will be taking another look at it after China since its was deemed largely ineffective by Charlie Whiting among others.

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/44466.html

Marbot · 1 Apr 2011, 10:51 (Ref:2856749)

IDS ?! KERSD ?!

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=43227

Or maybe it's because today is..........

Wims · 1 Apr 2011, 10:56 (Ref:2856752)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

IDS ?! KERSD ?!

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=43227

Or maybe it's because today is..........

I'm just assuming that everything I read today is a lie.

Marbot · 1 Apr 2011, 10:59 (Ref:2856754)

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Originally Posted by Wims

I'm just assuming that everything I read today is a lie.

Yeah! That speeding fine notice I just got through the post is just too funny!

gttouring · 1 Apr 2011, 12:47 (Ref:2856809)

I was none to impressed by DRS it seems to be a gimmi k and if it fails? Who is to blame? And what can it look like at monza?

Simonfield · 1 Apr 2011, 13:10 (Ref:2856822)

just out interest, it seems some teams DRS opens a larger gap than other teams. Or thats the way it looks to me at least, are there rules governing the size of the gap allowed?

Or am i just imagining things?

Super Hans · 1 Apr 2011, 13:39 (Ref:2856839)

Are you sure it isn't an optical illusion caused by differing wing designs? One assumes the size of the slot must be uniform, or else he with the bigger slot would gain a bigger advantage.

Over to someone who knows their technical stuff...

wnut · 2 Apr 2011, 03:15 (Ref:2857165)

The maximum gap allowed is 50mm, which is why the curvature of the rear element that Sauber violated is allowed to be a minimum of 100mm, the teams seek to make this curve as tight as possible, because the narrower chord of this flap is the greater the amount of the drag that is shed when it is tipped up to the 50mm gap. Think of tilting a ruler 50mm length wise and then 50mm across the width.

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