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Watching this touring car race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WcE7qaXMVM , the modern "Supercars" seems like it couldn't be further removed. The variety of the touring car race is just incredible! Alfa Romeo GTV's, 240T's, Commodore's, Volvo's, Starion's, 635i's, 325i's, Skyline's... Amazing variety of cars which resemble "real" road passenger cars, with an equivalence formula of weight/engine size that seems to work very well (just as it does in Improved Production to this day)!
The fans seem to love the touring cars too -- check out the packed stands! Funny what a series of incremental changes (5.0L as main/only class, wings, franchises/RECs, sequential boxes, COTF spaceframes, composite panels) can do... Supercars is (almost? completely?) beyond recognition as touring cars. Perhaps a new series should be started as an actual Australian Touring Car Championship, so we could have actual Touring Car racing just as Series Production and Improved Production continue in their intended forms to this day? |
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Cars parked in the garage, does nothing for the actual racing.
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The rose coloured glasses again. The parity/equivalency methods never worked, and the arms race meant unless you had the car of the year you couldn't win a damn thing.
People who moan about a Commodore Cup but wistfully remember a class that saw Peter Brock line up in a Sierra, because nothing else could win, until the GTR came along and killed the category. Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk |
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After all the Sierra saw off the rival 2.0L turbo cars on merit by genuinely being a superior engineered road vehicle compared to other four-cylinder turbo road cars like the DR30 Skyline, Mitsubishi Starion, Volvo and so on. That was on merit as an excellent car. Given the touring cars are saloons, and not purpose built open wheelers, why shouldn't the best road car be the best race car? What a car by the way, lovely! <- Even the commentator noted the Sierra cup was FAR more fun to watch than the dreary McLaren demonstrations found in Formula One at the time... Tiff Needell says: Quote:
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The thing that stopped them was nobody could afford to out-spend Nissan who had just built the GTR, and the entire house of cards fell down.
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(Presumably) Nissan would then drop back to the R32 GTS-T model, and it's not like the 2.0L RB20 turbo rear wheel drive fitted to that version wasn't already a proven winner in HR31 form. It still had potential if the equivalence and weights were tweaked, though certainly manufacturer politics in lobbying for this and that would be seen as a negative. Forcing Nissan and eventually BMW out altogether was a pretty poor decision I think. IMO, the Supercars series became noticeably stronger (back to Group A days field depth) once Super Touring had past it's peak and some great entrants (like BJR, GRM, Paul Morris Motorsport) came (back) to the V8 Supercars. IMO the depth of the 5.0L field was comparatively weak around '95-97, when so many good quality competitors were off in the other series (it seems like there were often only 10-14 truly professional cars entered for the 5.0L series at that time, the rest: privateers). Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 24 Mar 2018 at 11:49. |
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yeah sorry, massively off topic now.
Group A is dead, it died quickly, move on and discuss it in the historics forum |
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That is your stock answer to anyone who wants any change and enjoyed motor sport in the past. I wonder what you will say when you want a return to what we watch today when you are old and grey.
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