Tech Issue Pirelli-The Tyre Story.. - Page 26

**Bononi** · 6 Jun 2013, 14:53 (Ref:3258546)

Marbot, Pirelli evangelist...

Guess I found out your job at Pirelli !

Mekola · 6 Jun 2013, 15:38 (Ref:3258560)

A penalty for Mercedes for "testing" for me is plain ridiculous.

davyboy · 6 Jun 2013, 15:38 (Ref:3258561)

This may be result in an uber serious penalty because of the enormous influence three have had on the outcome of this year's races. If we look at when a team was DQed from the championship in the past it was always over something mega serious that had been undertaken deliberately.

I'm sure there are plenty of teams that would prefer MB, the team, was returned to private ownership.

steve_r · 6 Jun 2013, 16:01 (Ref:3258570)

Quote:

Originally Posted by davyboy

I'm sure there are plenty of teams that would prefer MB, the team, was returned to private ownership.

Brawn Mk II. After the last time that happened, other teams might not be too keen on a repeat!

Spritle · 6 Jun 2013, 16:08 (Ref:3258573)

I think Mercedes should be heavily fined with the money given to Pirelli. Maybe a cash infusion will help them figure out how to make decent tyres.

Then Pirelli should be fined as a co-conspirator with those fines dispersed to Marbot so he can continue in his roles as Official Tenths Pirelli Apologist...er I mean evangelist.

In all seriousness, I expect a fine which of course means nothing but gives the impression of punishment and possibly a back of the grid start. It's hard to say what they deserve although at least one disqualification seems appropriate...

...as well as banning Lewis' dog Rosco from all GP's.

Sodemo · 6 Jun 2013, 16:34 (Ref:3258585)

Throw Pirelli out of the championship.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 6 Jun 2013, 17:59 (Ref:3258637)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Throw Pirelli out of the championship.

A replacement better be found before that happens.

Scooter185 · 6 Jun 2013, 18:17 (Ref:3258645)

Vettel adds his opinion to the mess: http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsp...ry/109818.html

**bjohnsonsmith** · 6 Jun 2013, 18:38 (Ref:3258658)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter185

Vettel adds his opinion to the mess: http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsp...ry/109818.html

More on this from Autosport.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107894

JeremySmith · 6 Jun 2013, 19:18 (Ref:3258682)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bononi

Marbot, Pirelli evangelist...

Guess I found out your job at Pirelli !

JeremySmith · 6 Jun 2013, 19:20 (Ref:3258684)

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve_r

Was it not raining on the Monday & Tuesday, causing the test to be dealyed until Wednesday. So much has been written, but I seem to remember this from somewhere.

OK - get your bets in now for the penalty against Mercedes:
* Just a slap on the wrist
* Small fine
* Massive Fine
* Grid Penalties
* Disqualification from Monaco results
* Thrown out of this years Constructors Championship
* Thrown out of WDC and WCC
* Public Flogging

Perhaps a combination of two or more of the above?

I think you forgot burning them at the stake..

**bjohnsonsmith** · 6 Jun 2013, 19:38 (Ref:3258691)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I think you forgot burning them at the stake..

On a pile of Pirelli tyres.

wolfhound · 6 Jun 2013, 21:42 (Ref:3258731)

I would suggest Mercedes be banned from testing until 2015.

Pirelli are trying to make tyres that they have been requested to make by FOM and the teams to spice up the action, sometimes it just works too well.

Scooter185 · 6 Jun 2013, 22:57 (Ref:3258749)

Interesting tweet I just saw

Anthony Rowlinson @Rowlinson_F1R Hearing there has been a significant development in 'Pirelli-gate'. Expect this one to blow up tomorrow if not sooner...

Marbot · 7 Jun 2013, 00:43 (Ref:3258774)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bononi

Guess I found out your job at Pirelli !

That's me!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mekola

A penalty for Mercedes for "testing" for me is plain ridiculous.

Rules is rules. The thing to do is to try and get an agreement from all of the teams that enables in-season testing. And good luck with that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spritle

I think Mercedes should be heavily fined with the money given to Pirelli. Maybe a cash infusion will help them figure out how to make decent tyres.

Then Pirelli should be fined as a co-conspirator with those fines dispersed to Marbot so he can continue in his roles as Official Tenths Pirelli Apologist...er I mean evangelist.

In all seriousness, I expect a fine which of course means nothing but gives the impression of punishment and possibly a back of the grid start. It's hard to say what they deserve although at least one disqualification seems appropriate...

...as well as banning Lewis' dog Rosco from all GP's.

Yes! Give me the money!

A fine to Mercedes would be like fining a professional soccer player for parking on a double yellow line. A $100 million fine for McLaren didn't exactly see them fall to the back of the grid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

Throw Pirelli out of the championship.

I sense that we, err, I mean Pirelli, are holding all of the cards with regard to next seasons tyre supply.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooter185

Interesting tweet I just saw

Anthony Rowlinson @Rowlinson_F1R Hearing there has been a significant development in 'Pirelli-gate'. Expect this one to blow up tomorrow if not sooner...

Yes, I can't see 'Tyregate' being sorted out over the weekend.

davyboy · 7 Jun 2013, 13:32 (Ref:3258953)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

A fine to Mercedes would be like fining a professional soccer player for parking on a double yellow line. A $100 million fine for McLaren didn't exactly see them fall to the back of the grid.

I can't see it being an exorbitant fine for this reason... and also for the fact that it would cause the type of consternation with MB shareholders that would place a question over MB's future involvement in F1.

It'll be some kind of points forfeiture or disqualification.

You have to wonder why MB would have gone and done something so stupid in the first place. I wonder was Ross Brawn himself privy to this decision.

Marbot · 7 Jun 2013, 13:47 (Ref:3258962)

Quote:

Originally Posted by davyboy

I can't see it being an exorbitant fine for this reason... and also for the fact that it would cause the type of consternation with MB shareholders that would place a question over MB's future involvement in F1.

MB can't be happy about this, but they may also have given the OK for the test to go ahead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davyboy

It'll be some kind of points forfeiture or disqualification.

I can't see any sort of punishment that makes their partication in the 2013 world chamionships a waste of time. No point handing them a reason to focus all of their resources onto the 2014 car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davyboy

You have to wonder why MB would have gone and done something so stupid in the first place. I wonder was Ross Brawn himself privy to this decision.

There are now some very 'aggressive' members in that squad. People who aren't afraid to push things as far as they can.

davyboy · 7 Jun 2013, 14:17 (Ref:3258967)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

I can't see any sort of punishment that makes their partication in the 2013 world chamionships a waste of time. No point handing them a reason to focus all of their resources onto the 2014 car.

A championship's a championship and having to trapse all around the world (to comply with their obligations and entrants) with complete futility seems pretty harsh... not to mention the corporate embarrassment on (literally) global level.

Whatever happens I feel we need to expect a very severe punishment.

davyboy · 7 Jun 2013, 14:20 (Ref:3258968)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

There are now some very 'aggressive' members in that squad. People who aren't afraid to push things as far as they can.

Yes, fair point. It's just that I can't see Ross Brawn giving a thumbs up to something so stupid. He's generally been a man of integrity too.

airbusA346 · 7 Jun 2013, 15:47 (Ref:3258998)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marbot

A $100 million fine for McLaren didn't exactly see them fall to the back of the grid.

And there were tax benefits for McLaren as well.

davyboy · 7 Jun 2013, 16:27 (Ref:3258999)

Quote:

Originally Posted by airbusA346

And there were tax benefits for McLaren as well.

Well, not quite. They managed to offset the fine against tax (after quite a bit of arguing with HMRC) which lessened the fine in real terms... but the imposition of the fine didn't create any tax benefits for them.

jsTrecu · 7 Jun 2013, 19:40 (Ref:3259076)

Pirelli's Paul Hembery pulls out of F1 press call on legal advice
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107914

JeremySmith · 7 Jun 2013, 20:21 (Ref:3259097)

I am starting to change my tune on this tyre business ..
Pirelli are in a no win situation it seems ...

Damned if they do and damned if they don't ..

D.R.T. · 7 Jun 2013, 21:09 (Ref:3259114)

Quote:

Originally Posted by davyboy

Yes, fair point. It's just that I can't see Ross Brawn giving a thumbs up to something so stupid. He's generally been a man of integrity too.

He was at Ferrari for many years

Marbot · 7 Jun 2013, 23:34 (Ref:3259159)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I am starting to change my tune on this tyre business ..
Pirelli are in a no win situation it seems ...

Damned if they do and damned if they don't ..

Yes, but they also have the option of taking their ball home.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
[Tech Issue] New tyre markings and softer compounds for Pirelli tyres	Marbot	Formula One	7	26 Jan 2012 14:44
[Rules] Pirelli (ITA) : ban tyre changes under red flag.	duke_toaster	Formula One	11	31 May 2011 03:15
The Pirelli Story	Dutton	Motorsport History	1	13 Aug 2009 16:06
Pirelli win WRC tyre contract.	BertMk2	Rallying & Rallycross	14	5 Apr 2007 09:48
Pirelli tyre problems?	Asa	Sportscar & GT Racing	3	18 Jul 2005 12:35