[Rumours] Which Circuits for FOTA championship?

[Purist]

On second though, considering the Anderson Bridge at Singapore is just two lanes, the tunnel at Las Vegas shouldn't be a problem.

[nickyf1]

theres plenty of places to race in the USA, Long Beach for when the IRL goes t**s up, Watkins Glen, Road America (No major races other than ALMS since the CCWC went bankrupt) Sears Point, perhaps an airport circuit? Cleveland??

Hopefully the FOTA (if there will be one) series will run at some good tracks that dont have outreagous tarmac car parks and shortcuts. Anyway, my calendar of races:

Monaco GP - Monte Carlo
Italian GP - Imola
French GP - Le Mans Bugati
British GP - Silverstone
German GP - Hockenheim
Portuguese GP - Algarve
Canadian GP - Montreal
USA GP - Long Beach/Watkins Glen
Argentine GP - San Luis
Mexican GP - Mexico City
Japanese GP - Aida (is it called that anymore?) or Motegi

[MCWB]

Originally Posted by nickyf1

Aida (is it called that anymore?)

It's called Okayama International Circuit now.

[duke_toaster]

Assuming Monaco jumps ship due to a Ferrari clause and they are able to start it there, I'd be happy with this eight race calendar.

Monaco GP - Monaco
Portugese GP - Algarve
British GP - Silverstone, but if its GP contract gets terminated go to Donington
German GP - Lausitzring
Japanese GP - Motegi, or Suzuka if available
Italian GP - Valleunga, or Monza if available
Dubai GP - Dubai Autodrome
USA GP - Temporary circuit in Las Vegas or LA.

[Rombles1]

Adelaide is do-able..... run it as a night race on the same weekend as the Clipsal 500. Expand it out to the original full length circuit, as has already been discussed, and effectively all the infrastructure is in place already for the V8 Supercars. And if the fact that the grandstands for the 2010 Clipsal 500 are already 3/4 sold out bothers them, then run it a week later, and sell a whole new lot of tickets. Run the Adelaide Motor Show in the week in between, and with all the other festival stuff on in Adelaide in March, you would have a 10 day Motorsport holiday in Adelaide to blow your mind!

Obviously the night race is to put it on when someone in Europe is actually watching TV....

What would people rather do, go to dreary old Melbourne to see Williams battle Force India, or come back and see how much Adelaide loves big fast loud open-wheel cars? (was going to describe them as "Formula 1" cars, but that obviously wouldn't work!)

[pinkd56]

How About A Swedish Grand Prix on the Gothenburg Street Circuit that The STCC Ran On This and Last Year, It Looks like a good narrow Track, or would it be too tight for Formula Cars?

[duke_toaster]

It's far too short - the STCC cars run sub 1 minute laps there IIRC. An F1 car could probably do it in around 40 seconds or so.

[Duff_44]

Here's my proposed schedule, trying to respect other events at the different tracks, and their status with the AKMB (Absolute Kingdom of Max and Bernie)

2/7/2010 Argentina Potrero de los Funes
2/28/2010 Qatar Losail
3/14/2010 Emirates Dubai
4/4/2010 San Marino Imola
4/18/2010 Portugal Algarve (or Estoril)
5/2/2010 Germany Lausitzring
5/16/2010 Great Britain Silverstone
5/30/2010 Monaco Monaco
6/20/2010 Canada Montreal
6/27/2010 United States Indianapolis
7/18/2010 France Magny-Cours
8/1/2010 Spain Jerez (or Valencia/Ricardo Tormo)
8/15/2010 Hungary Balatonring
8/29/2010 Europe Le Mans-Bugatti
9/12/2010 Italy Mugello
10/3/2010 Japan Fuji
10/17/2010 China Zhuhai
10/31/2010 Australia Adelaide

They need to build the series around permanent circuits. If they're only going to do street circuits, you might as well sports car racing and save your money. CART tried street circuits and the races were utter trash. 1 or 2 is OK, any more than that isn't.

[pinkd56]

What About Brands Hatch GP, I Know its not a Grade 1 Track, But it has held F1 Before..

[JamesH]

I vote Cadwell park. Entirely unsuitable for F1 cars, but what a great circuit. Would be great to see an F1 car go round there.

[Big Mac]

I would love a return of serious single seater racing to the streets of my fair city. But with all due respect to other posters in this forum, realistically there is a minute chance of Adelaide being a part of a FOTA calendar.

Let's face facts.

- The place isn't safe for modern "Grand Prix" cars in its current form. A lack of run off through the Chicane, at the bottom of Brabham Straight and around the pit entry jump to mind.

- Despite the new pit building for this year's Clipsal 500 (replacing the original one from 1985) the paddock is still tiny.

Because the Adelaide City Council and State Government couldn't come to terms, the planned multi million dollar upgrade of Victoria Park (with dual purpose Motor and Horse Racing facilities) including a realigning of the Victoria Park section of the track, hasn't gone ahead. Considering the bad blood between these two bodies, I'd be surprised if a FOTA race carrot would be sufficient for them to up back into bed with each other.

- IF a race was to happen within the next 12-18 months (less than 12 months if other posters suggestions about holding it around the Clipsal 500 time are followed) it would have to be run on the existing GP track with the old hairy pit entry and exit. This current crop of drivers would be screaming about how unsafe it is. Hell, people were complaining about it 20 year ago!

- A return to using the GP length of the street circuit would require resurfacing of the stretch from Bartels Rd, East Tce, Rundle Rd and Dequeteville Tce. That's not cheap and time is getting short for it to be cured in time for a March 2010 race.

- Therefore, in my opinion, for there to be the slightest chance of a race (assuming Formula Toys Out of the Pram takes off) happening, it would require serious co-operation between State/Federal/Council to push forward the redevelopment plans for Victoria Park. And the possible negotiation with FOTA for a October/November 2010 date. This COULD allow for the necessary would to be done in time.

- As for the idea of a night race...I like it but good luck finding the cash for that on top off the other upgrades needed.

It's flattering for Adelaide to be bantered around as a possible venue but its not going to happen. Sad but true.

[19drol62]

i'd also like to see Montreal again, also i'd have Silverstone me thinks it has a better ring then Donnington

[csirl]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

As discussed here, http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116523 with FOTA breaking away what does it mean for the circuits? IIRC the FIA has the right to the title Grand Prix and indeed Formula One (although that may be Bernie).

So, it raises the question of what these breakaway races will be and where will they be held?

I suspect we may well be looking at the traditional circuits, such as Monza and Silverstone, not to mention Nurburgring, but I suspect Monaco will be dropped because of it's links with the FIA and Bernie.

I dont think it means anything for the circuits except more business if there are two series.

You have to remember what the FIA's role is. Regardless of MM's personal opinions, the FIA is the sports international regulator. It does not directly run F1 or any other series. Its role is actually very similar to the government regulators you see in some business sectors i.e. setting standards etc. If the FOTA series applies for FIA recognition and adheres to FIA rules (which are very high level sporting and safety issues, not commercial) then the FIA is obliged to recognise the FOTA series as it is with any proposed series at any level that adheres to its rules.

With regard to the circuits - you have competition law at work. It would not be permissable for F1 to have a contract with a circuit that excludes a competing series. In any event, most of the current F1 circuit contracts are already in place and are multi-year deals. And as the FOTA series did not exist when the deals were signed, then it is impossible for it to be mentioned in the contracts. So if an existing F1 circuit signs a deal with FOTA, there is nothing F1 can do about it. In the current climate, no circuit owner is going to agree to amend his contract to put him in a less favourable position. F1 will have no option but to either stage the F1 race as scheduled or pay the circuit owner millions in compensation to buy themselves out of the contract. To be honest, if I were a circuit owner, I'd take the millions in compensation now if it were on offer because there is no guarantee that Bernie and F1 will be around in the future to perform their contract with me.

[johntt]

Based on Dieter Rencken's idea of FOTA taking over A1GP I would suggest the following:

1. Kyalami
2. Mugello
3. Nurburgring
4. Zandvoort
5. Brands Hatch
6. Monaco
7. Montreal
8. Indianapolis
9. Silverstone
10. Magny Cours
11. Brno
12. Spa
13. Hockenheim
14. Surfers Paradise
15. Fuji
16. Portimao
17. Interlagos

[Down F0rce]

Indeed, race titles such as "British Grand Prix" not not owned by Bernie. There was some palava a few years ago when Hockenheim and Nurburgring starting the alternating track agreement. Hockenhiem were unwilling to let go of their title "German Grand Prix" and so when the race alternated to the Nurburgring, they had to use their title of "European Grand Prix".

[redturner37]

Originally Posted by Down F0rce

Indeed, race titles such as "British Grand Prix" not not owned by Bernie. There was some palava a few years ago when Hockenheim and Nurburgring starting the alternating track agreement. Hockenhiem were unwilling to let go of their title "German Grand Prix" and so when the race alternated to the Nurburgring, they had to use their title of "European Grand Prix".

Wrong, it did not belong to them. It was/is a title bestowed on any other circuit which held a meeting as well as it's own regular GP, ie, the Donington Park meeting was the European Grand Prix, though now seems to be stuck in Germany because no one else now holds two meetings.

[The STIG]

Originally Posted by redturner37

though now seems to be stuck in Germany because no one else now holds two meetings.

Um... Spain? Valencia?

[Marbot]

I understand that Interlagos and Spa will definitely not be on any 'breakaway' calendar according to the Guardian newspaper.

[redturner37]

Originally Posted by The STIG

Um... Spain? Valencia?

Oooooops,

[Alan52]

I don't think any of the current circuits (and broadcasters for that matter)will be looking to honour their existing contracts if the FIA attempts to run a series without the breakaway teams.There would have to be a clause in the contracts which protects them being offerred a substantially inferior product and having to accept it.The crux of the legal procedings by the FIA is that they have no intention to run a series without the FOTA teams because it is no more viable than A1 GP.Bernie would understand this.There will only be 1 series next year although I have no idea who will win out and finish running it.

[ford prefect]

Crash.net have published a leaked calendar (nicked from The Grauniad):

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/148803/...ar_leaked.html
Pure speculation on the part of The Guardian, so I take it with a bucketful of salt.
I suspect the link will be removed quickly so I have listed the circuits below:
3 March Buenos Aires Argentina Last hosted F1 in 1998
21 March Mexico City Mexico Last hosted F1 in 1992
11 April Jerez Spain Last hosted F1 in 1997
25 April Portimao Portugal Never hosted F1
2 May Imola San Marino Last hosted F1 in 2006
23 May Monte Carlo Monaco Current F1 host
6 June Montreal Canada Last hosted F1 in 2008
13 June Indianapolis United States Last hosted F1 in 2007
1 July Silverstone United Kingdom Current F1 host
25 July Magny-Cours France Last hosted F1 in 2008
15 August Laustizring Germany Never hosted F1
29 August Helsinki Finland Never hosted F1
12 September Monza Italy Current F1 host
26 September Abu Dhabi United Arab Emirates Current F1 host
10 October Marina Bay Singapore Current F1 host
24 October Suzuka Japan Last hosted F1 in 2006
8 November Adelaide or Surfers' Paradise Australia Last hosted F1 in 1995/Never hosted F1

[Dan Friel]

Originally Posted by ford prefect

Crash.net have published a leaked calendar (nicked from The Grauniad):

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/148803/...ar_leaked.html
Pure speculation on the part of The Guardian, so I take it with a bucketful of salt.
I suspect the link will be removed quickly so I have listed the circuits below:
3 March Buenos Aires Argentina Last hosted F1 in 1998
21 March Mexico City Mexico Last hosted F1 in 1992
11 April Jerez Spain Last hosted F1 in 1997
25 April Portimao Portugal Never hosted F1
2 May Imola San Marino Last hosted F1 in 2006
23 May Monte Carlo Monaco Current F1 host
6 June Montreal Canada Last hosted F1 in 2008
13 June Indianapolis United States Last hosted F1 in 2007
1 July Silverstone United Kingdom Current F1 host
25 July Magny-Cours France Last hosted F1 in 2008
15 August Laustizring Germany Never hosted F1
29 August Helsinki Finland Never hosted F1
12 September Monza Italy Current F1 host
26 September Abu Dhabi United Arab Emirates Current F1 host
10 October Marina Bay Singapore Current F1 host
24 October Suzuka Japan Last hosted F1 in 2006
8 November Adelaide or Surfers' Paradise Australia Last hosted F1 in 1995/Never hosted F1

Abu Dhabi in September I think not... clearly nonsense.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Dan Friel

Abu Dhabi in September I think not... clearly nonsense.

Any particular reason?

[Down F0rce]

Take out Buenos Aries and replace it with San Luis and that'd be a great calendar!

[csirl]

I would have thought that there would be a couple less flyaway races and a couple more in Europe.

The series will want to get the core support on board and minimise costs for the teams, so a lot of races in Europe makes sense.