Rumours Kimi Back to Mac? - Page 3

strider · 28 Sep 2009, 23:33 (Ref:2550152)

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Originally Posted by chunterer

Why am I thinking that this will be a massive mistake for all but Kimi's agents and bank balance?

Because you're not much of a Kimi fan and think Lewis will wipe the floor with him?

Let's wait and see.

jab · 29 Sep 2009, 00:14 (Ref:2550167)

I tend to think Lewis is more likely to wipe the floor with Kimi than Alonso with Massa

FPV8U · 29 Sep 2009, 09:21 (Ref:2550349)

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Originally Posted by jab

I tend to think Lewis is more likely to wipe the floor with Kimi than Alonso with Massa

Depends who the teams get behind really doesn't it?

Even if Kimi is outdone by Hamilton (Which i think it will be a close battle) he will enjoy taking quite a few top 3's along the way, the Mclaren will suit his driving style so much better, much like it used to... That combo worked fairly well when they didn't have failures didn't it?

ljakse · 29 Sep 2009, 09:57 (Ref:2550359)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

I don't think that Kimi will play number 2 to anyone!

Well, according to Joe Saward, he already did play it to Massa.

I'm not saying he'll do it again, and I hope he won't.

strider · 29 Sep 2009, 10:09 (Ref:2550367)

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

...the McLaren will suit his driving style so much better, much like it used to... That combo worked fairly well when they didn't have failures didn't it?

Definitely.

In fact I was pleased to see Norbert Haug pretty much admit that they cost Kimi two world titles, certainly in 2003 and probably in 2005.

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"Reflecting on our co-operation which was five years, I think that it was positive," explained Haug. "We should have won at least two world championships. I have to say we missed one with two points in 2003 but I think an engine failure was one of the reasons, so without that he could have done it.

"In 2005 he could have done it, in fairness. The engines at that stage were not as good and reliable as they are now. To have Kimi in our team winning two world championships would certainly have been a fair outcome for him. I have a good relationship with him and I'm sure he would say the same."

I wonder how differently people would view Kimi now if he was a 3-time WDC having beaten Schumi and Teflonso in straight fights??

Super Hans · 29 Sep 2009, 10:18 (Ref:2550371)

When people compare team-mates they seem to use one of two stock phrases: "x wiped the floor with y" or "Evenly matched". Why ignore the most common outcome: "x was a bit better than y"? For what it's worth, I think Hamilton would do a bit better than Raikkonen if they were paired up.

Mr V · 29 Sep 2009, 10:25 (Ref:2550376)

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Originally Posted by ljakse

Well, according to Joe Saward, he already did play it to Massa.

I'm not saying he'll do it again, and I hope he won't.

That was later on in the season when it was a fight between Felipe and Lewis. My point is, it appears on here that many think that Kimi will go to McLaren as Lewis's number 2, i'm saying he'll go as equal number 1 ergo, my point, Kimi won't play number 2 to anyone.

strider · 29 Sep 2009, 10:36 (Ref:2550385)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

That was later on in the season when it was a fight between Felipe and Lewis. My point is, it appears on here that many think that Kimi will go to McLaren as Lewis's number 2, i'm saying he'll go as equal number 1 ergo, my point, Kimi won't play number 2 to anyone.

You're exactly right and I'm sure McLaren will provide equal equipment.

csirl · 29 Sep 2009, 12:55 (Ref:2550494)

I can't see Ferrari letting Kimi go to McLaren. Maybe to one of the lesser teams on the grid, but not someone who will take points off Ferrari. Ferrari would rather pay him to do nothing for a year.

jab · 29 Sep 2009, 12:56 (Ref:2550496)

Ferrari aren't paying for him to move, though. Santander are and as they're sponsoring both teams, it makes perfect sense

If Ferrari really saw him as a threat, they wouldn't be letting him go

This is definitely going to happen

Super Hans · 29 Sep 2009, 13:27 (Ref:2550517)

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Originally Posted by csirl

I can't see Ferrari letting Kimi go to McLaren.

It isn't up to Ferrari, really.

F.O.F. · 29 Sep 2009, 14:52 (Ref:2550570)

I can't wait to see this happen.I know a lot of people,myself included at times, have thought Kimi's gone off the boil recently but I think a large part of the problem has been the car/team not suiting his style.If we see the god-like speed of his early days then Lewis is definitely going to have a challenge.That immense talent doesn't just evaporate in the course of 2 or 3 years.And with Kimi being,well,Kimi and Lewis with a championship already under his belt I think the pair will be able to handle each other mentally.Personally,I'm expecting a very strong,close performing pair who won't be talking crap about each other every other weekend.

cobra77 · 29 Sep 2009, 19:59 (Ref:2550759)

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Originally Posted by csirl

I can't see Ferrari letting Kimi go to McLaren. Maybe to one of the lesser teams on the grid, but not someone who will take points off Ferrari. Ferrari would rather pay him to do nothing for a year.

I really think Kimi's contract is so strong that either Ferrari has a good offer that Kimi wants to take or they have to let him drive.

It might be that Alonso has said to Santander:
Look I would go to McLaren if I hadn't burned the bridges there so Ferrari is my only option.
Let's buy out Kimi and put him in McLaren. I dont want him as my team mate anyway ;-)

This is why santander are sponsoring both McLaren and Ferrari.

I also feel that Alonso respects Kimi very much and would like to race against him, not as his team mate.

FPV8U · 29 Sep 2009, 22:43 (Ref:2550873)

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Originally Posted by strider

Definitely.

In fact I was pleased to see Norbert Haug pretty much admit that they cost Kimi two world titles, certainly in 2003 and probably in 2005.I wonder how differently people would view Kimi now if he was a 3-time WDC having beaten Schumi and Teflonso in straight fights??

Agreed, was please to see some very straight up answers from Mercedes there.

Both years had better potential but thems the breaks i guess.

As a Raikkonen fan since around the 2003 Era im rather excited about the Mclaren return, must say ive been rather disapointed with how underperforming the Ferrari deal has become.

kartracer41 · 30 Sep 2009, 15:43 (Ref:2551318)

This is interesting. No decision yet by Mac.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79063

F1Pete · 30 Sep 2009, 22:17 (Ref:2551554)

I don't think we will hear from Merc for a while.

strider · 1 Oct 2009, 10:57 (Ref:2551805)

According to Kimi, he may yet abandon F1. I think it would be a massive shame if he did. He really is still the WFD and here's a little quote to underline the point:

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A run of podium finishes plus a brilliant victory at the Belgian Grand Prix showed that the Raikkonen of old was back on the track, and even inside the team they admitted seeing a different man.

One team insider suggested that, looking at the data, Raikkonen has once again been doing things in the cockpit of a very difficult car that they can hardly believe. He is going beyond what, theoretically, the F60 should be capable of in normal hands as though the Finn's last great act of defiance is to prove to his former bosses that they were wrong.

Teflonso is wandering around looking like the cat that got the cream, and I suppose he's entitled to. Ferrari gave up on developing the F60 some races ago and everything is going into the 2010 car, so it should be very quick out of the box. They could even do a Brawn.

**Born Racer** · 1 Oct 2009, 11:02 (Ref:2551808)

I'd be sad to see Kimi basically forced out of F1.

Perhaps he wants to go to McLaren and get revenge on them in the best way possible- by going to the old rivals. Kimi is not perceived as that sort of character, but maybe he's good at keeping his emotions under wraps, and he's actually full of such spirit. It's been a joy to see him drag the best out his car recently.

**Bononi** · 1 Oct 2009, 12:55 (Ref:2551900)

I hate to think he'll be leaving F1, but as it is now, it's not a bad idea.

**Born Racer** · 1 Oct 2009, 13:07 (Ref:2551919)

Do you not think Bononi that McLaren would be a good proposition for him?

**Bononi** · 1 Oct 2009, 20:13 (Ref:2552240)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

Do you not think Bononi that McLaren would be a good proposition for him?

Yeah, I do, but if he leaves now, the way things are in F1 nowadays, maybe it's the right choice.

**Born Racer** · 1 Oct 2009, 20:30 (Ref:2552256)

What things are you referring to?

**Bononi** · 1 Oct 2009, 23:27 (Ref:2552355)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

What things are you referring to?

We all know that F1 always has been a source of controversy and drama, but if you look at the last couple of years, another kind of trouble have become the trivial. Ron Dennis an icon in F1 has been lambasted and went into retirement as part of a deal to keep McLaren going on. FOTA and Max Mosley have been fighting for power and everything will remain pretty much the same. A mediocre driver with a famous name have shattered the credibility of the races and the only good from all that is Briatore a non-F1 man got expelled. Among all this a double champion, blackmailer, dishonest, egotistic and manipulator get away and gets the best. From TGF to Alonso, Formula One have got no better, probably got worse.

One have to wonder if it's worth to have faith on human kind.

**Born Racer** · 2 Oct 2009, 00:17 (Ref:2552375)

Wow. Quite a comment in that post, and sadly I don't disagree with it much.

Still, I'll try to forget it when the Grand Prix is on, because I'll always love racing and watching F1 cars lap a circuit.

jab · 2 Oct 2009, 00:31 (Ref:2552380)

I wouldn't care if McLaren were disqualified from every race for wearing the wrong colour underpants - I'd still get up religiously at ridiculous o'clock to watch a pointless practice session

The scandals are quite entertaining, actually. It's all a bit boring when the racing is dull and we've got nothing else to talk about

We need the best drivers in the sport and I'd be gutted if Kimi went - I don't even rate him as highly as some do but the sport needs all the stars it's got until they start spontaneously crashing into people in every race like a certain square-jawed Scotsman

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