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Old 4 Sep 2012, 16:14 (Ref:3130653)   #51
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am i alone in thinking that if Maldonado had not jumped the start or even had an normal start that there would have been an even bigger accident going into the first corner? really everyone should just be glad that he didnt have a bad start.

if and buts aside i do agree with luke g28 that 3 penalties over a race weekend should result in consequences extending past this weekend and should not be dismissed just because he didnt finish the race.
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Old 4 Sep 2012, 16:50 (Ref:3130662)   #52
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For the most part I'd agree - I don't think Hamilton could move any further over though (although as you say he could have backed off a bit earlier). Maldonados influence on all this will of course forever just be conjecture and guesswork (some admitedly better than others ).
I think Hamilton would have expected RG to have enough situational awareness to stop his move to the right before hitting him, by the time it was evident he was going to keep on coming the wheels were interlocked and one way or another tears were inevitable. For once Lewis was an innocent victim.
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Old 4 Sep 2012, 16:54 (Ref:3130666)   #53
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Old 4 Sep 2012, 17:42 (Ref:3130690)   #54
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because its too harsh

no it isn't - and the stewards agree with me
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Old 4 Sep 2012, 19:29 (Ref:3130753)   #55
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I think Hamilton would have expected RG to have enough situational awareness to stop his move to the right before hitting him,
Has Lewis not seen any of Grosjeans other starts this season?
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Old 4 Sep 2012, 23:48 (Ref:3130901)   #56
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Bottas was quoted as saying in a Finnish newspaper that Maldonado is on probation after Spa and his next penalty will be a race ban. He obviously sees good chances of his debut in one of the 8 remaining races.
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Old 5 Sep 2012, 01:01 (Ref:3130925)   #57
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Are you sure you're watching the right race?

From every single angle showed it was SO obvious that he'd jumped the start that there was never any debate. Even watching the start "live" we were both on the sofa shouting "Jump Start"
I thought so too.
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Old 6 Sep 2012, 03:16 (Ref:3131757)   #58
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Has anyone asked Sir Frank what he thinks about PM now??
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Old 6 Sep 2012, 04:09 (Ref:3131769)   #59
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Has anyone asked Sir Frank what he thinks about PM now??
Sir Frank: "££££££££££."
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I love Maldonado - but glad I'm not racing against him. A hell of a character/loon/anti-hero/idiot/amusing fella. Charlie's reaction of his shaking head was absolute comedy gold!
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Charlie's reaction of his shaking head was absolute comedy gold!
Although it wasn't as good as his previous finger wagging / pointing which had us shouting "You're ****ing Nicked!" at the telly!
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Old 6 Sep 2012, 13:16 (Ref:3132015)   #62
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Bottas was quoted as saying in a Finnish newspaper that Maldonado is on probation after Spa and his next penalty will be a race ban. He obviously sees good chances of his debut in one of the 8 remaining races.
I would have thought his best chance for a drive would be replacing Senna, but anything's possible after Grosjean's ban.

What would make the race ban even more impactful is if the 3rd drivers all have to get some practice running on a Friday. Then they will be all fully up to speed and might risk outpacing the banned driver!
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If PM is on probation, than you can be sure that he'll not race in Singapore.
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Old 6 Sep 2012, 20:57 (Ref:3132198)   #64
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If PM is on probation, than you can be sure that he'll not race in Singapore.
"if" being the key word there.
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Old 9 Sep 2012, 12:45 (Ref:3133215)   #65
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Di Resta knocking wheels with Senna and shamelessly driving him off the track and FIA doesnt even bother investigating it?? Di Resta was very upset and critical with Maldonado's move in Hungary but obviously thought it was OK this time.

Personally I thought none of these incidents were penalty worthy with Di Resta's move being the dirtiest of the two if anything. Ive found Di Resta's hypocrisy and FIA double standards quite ridiculous in this case.
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Old 9 Sep 2012, 13:06 (Ref:3133228)   #66
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Di Resta banged wheels with Senna and drove him off completely = NO INVESTIGATION

Vettel did not touch with Alonso and drove two wheels of Alonso off the track = DRIVE THRU

Disappointing
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Old 9 Sep 2012, 13:46 (Ref:3133259)   #67
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It's very simple, Alonso was alongside, Senna was not.
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Old 9 Sep 2012, 14:39 (Ref:3133295)   #69
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It's very simple, Alonso was alongside, Senna was not.
Utter rubbish.
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PM was the invisible man in this race....
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Di Resta knocking wheels with Senna and shamelessly driving him off the track and FIA doesnt even bother investigating it?? Di Resta was very upset and critical with Maldonado's move in Hungary but obviously thought it was OK this time.

Personally I thought none of these incidents were penalty worthy with Di Resta's move being the dirtiest of the two if anything. Ive found Di Resta's hypocrisy and FIA double standards quite ridiculous in this case.
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Old 9 Sep 2012, 17:49 (Ref:3133349)   #72
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utter rubbish

Thats a nice way of hiding the fact that you have zero argument. Oh wait a minute, you didnt hide it.

Alonso wasnt ahead (nor was Senna) end of.
Di Resta did bang wheels with Senna, there was physical contact between the two, there wasnt between Vettel and Alonso. end of.

Your post is makes zero sense (as per usual unfortunetely)
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Thats a nice way of hiding the fact that you have zero argument. Oh wait a minute, you didnt hide it.

Alonso wasnt ahead (nor was Senna) end of.
Di Resta did bang wheels with Senna, there was physical contact between the two, there wasnt between Vettel and Alonso. end of.

Your post is makes zero sense (as per usual unfortunetely)
I used all the same well-evidenced and well-reasoned arguments to support my assertion as you did.
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Old 9 Sep 2012, 23:33 (Ref:3133514)   #75
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you don't have to be ahead, just a significant part of the car alongside.
see here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y8sp...youtu.be&t=17s
especially at 8 secs.
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