[BTCC] Donington Park GP, 26/27 August, Rds. 22/23/24

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Are you sure?

Ok fair enough, but still think it’s rather harsh when most drivers would’ve done much worse.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Ok fair enough, but still think it’s rather harsh when most drivers would’ve done much worse.

I agree, seems harsh. But he didn't leave room for Hill to keep on the circuit.

[Robin Marriott]

Tim Harvey with some spicy comments!

TH- “The rules are written by people who do not know how racing cars work”
DA - “It has gone to the stewards and the stewards have upheld that decision”
TH - “The stewards also do not know how racing cars work”

TH - “[…]That’s the rules but they’re stupid”

[5five]

That seems particularly harsh on Ingram. However it's not as mad as the judicial here earlier in the year towards Hill when Sutton drove over the front of him.

[Evantra]

Changed my mind, can we penalise Ingram every race if it makes him drive like this!

[5five]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Changed my mind, can we penalise Ingram every race if it makes him drive like this!

He drove like a man possessed. Great drive.

Didn't look like much between the Ford, Toyota and BMWs in that race.

[Evantra]

And there’s the inevitable Mini red flag…. Glad he’s ok and no one else got caught up in that.

[redshoes]

https://www.barc.net/wp-content/uplo...s-Decision.pdf
Ingram's appeal was rejected

THE BTCC EXPECTED STANDARDS DOCUMENT 2023, OVERTAKING, POINT 3, IS CLEAR THAT "ON THE EXIT OF A CORNER IF THE CAR ON THE OUTSIDE HAS AN OVERLAP ON THE CAR ON THE INSIDE THEN THE CAR ON THE INSIDE MUST LEAVE A MINIMUM OF ONE CAR WIDTH TO THE EDGE OF THE TRACK".

THE STEWARDS DETERMINE THAT #24 DID HAVE AN OVERLAP ON THE OUTSIDE OF #1 EXITING TURN 12 ON THE FINAL LAP. HOWEVER, THE DRIVER OF #1 DID NOT LEAVE THE REQUIRED MINIMUM ONE CAR WIDTH TO THE EDGE OF THE TRACK AND, AS A RESULT, DID GAIN AN ADVANTAGE (C2.3).

THE STEWARDS CONSIDER THAT THE PENALTY IMPOSED BY THE CLERK OF THE COURSE IS APPROPRIATE.

[Mike Harte]

I'm not 100% certain, but I think that Ingram may well be appealing the Stewards decision. If so, that may not be the end of the matter.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by 5five

He drove like a man possessed. Great drive.

Didn't look like much between the Ford, Toyota and BMWs in that race.

Those Fords need pegging back that’s for sure…….

[AnnoyedMoose]

I think Ingram is right to be annoyed due to the inconsistency of the decision making. In isolation it's 100% the correct decision to swap the positions but not giving racing room happens all the time in BTCC and is rarely punished from what I remember. Race 3 should be a cracker with that grid draw.

[porsche962fan]

what a mistake from Lloyd....

[Evantra]

Ahhhh well that sums up Team Hard - random failure? Devastating for Lloyd, he completely deserved that.

[porsche962fan]

Sutton 2023 champion

no way he can be caught now, complete anti climatic final rounds

[Robin Marriott]

Gutted for Dan, he deserved that win.

[Dudley]

If the series didn't need the car count HARD have got to be on the verge of being thrown out at this rate. Can't go 4 seconds without a car of theirs breaking, often dangerously.

[crmalcolm]

At this point, how does anyone know that the failure (if that is what happened) was a result of something HARD. have control over?

[v8supes]

Gutted for Lloyd, drove a great defensive race, credit to Butcher for not just shoehorning him out of the way.

Sutton finished P5, this guy is the greatest BTCC driver I’ve seen. His ability to be consistently fast without mistakes. Can seemingly do things that others can’t. Seems to also be able to drag a qualifying time out of a car when no one else can. I’d love him to get a chance on a bigger stage but god knows where he could go. Few years ago you’d have said WTCC but that doesn’t exist anymore & I’m not sure any of the TCR series are a bigger platform.

[5five]

What happened to Lloyds front headlight? Did he hit something or was his car just disintegrating throughout that race.

Is there a running count of races started vs finished for each team in 2023?

[redshoes]

Feel bad for Dan Lloyd, but feel worse knowing it was probably a toe link failure and knowing where this thread is heading

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by v8supes

Gutted for Lloyd, drove a great defensive race, credit to Butcher for not just shoehorning him out of the way.

Sutton finished P5, this guy is the greatest BTCC driver I’ve seen. His ability to be consistently fast without mistakes. Can seemingly do things that others can’t. Seems to also be able to drag a qualifying time out of a car when no one else can. I’d love him to get a chance on a bigger stage but god knows where he could go. Few years ago you’d have said WTCC but that doesn’t exist anymore & I’m not sure any of the TCR series are a bigger platform.

He should be in the second WAU Mustang in my opinion.

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Sutton 2023 champion

no way he can be caught now, complete anti climatic final rounds

Sutton only has a 42 point lead. There's three times that many available still. It's definitely not over.

Sometimes I wonder why you even bother following the BTCC, as all you do is whinge about it.

[Greem]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

He should be in the second WAU Mustang in my opinion.

Amen to that. Supercars, or even NASCAR, are the only real decent options for Sutton - and he could be a champion in either IMO.

[CarfanLUFC]

I certainly think Ingram can feel aggrieved today both with the stewarding and NAPA 'tactics'

The decision to swap places with Hill was 50/50 but Rowbottom driving a clearly damaged car then blocked Ingram into Redgate allowing Sutton through. Have to question why NAPA didn't bring him in with that much damage and why the officials didn't give him the meatball flag.

Pretty poor all round today in terms of decision making. Ingram should walk away today feeling he's been very very hard done by.

[v8supes]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

He should be in the second WAU Mustang in my opinion.

I’d like to see what he would do in a supercar.

I’d love to see him get a go in that project 91 NASCAR entry that Trackhouse are behind. Seems like the perfect candidate for what they’re doing with it.