[LM24] Noise reduction at Le Mans 24 hour

[Hugewally]

[TheNewBob]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Tell the noise police to bugger off. If they dont like it, MOVE, Get ear plugs, just go away.

Oh, if only it were that simple.

I recall something being said about the noise restraints set at Castle Combe a couple of years back - didn't someone complain about the noise even though there was no racing on that weekend?

Goes to show they'll complain whatever measures are taken.

As for decibel readings, I remember the Belcar round at Donington in 2007, the PK Corvette was prevented from going onto the track until they made their car quieter - from the trackside I actually thought the BMW Z4 and the Porsche 997 GT3-RSR there made far more noise, so it can be a little baffling sometimes.

I also remember British GT in 2005 - Team LNT were penalised for their noisy TVRs, yet I thought Master Motorsport's Ultima GTR was much louder when I saw them all at Donington. Very odd.

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Tell the noise police to bugger off. If they dont like it, MOVE, Get ear plugs, just go away.

Then spend a little time with your government elected officials, ( donations to re-election campaigns - even a few hundred ) does wonders to support your needs.

Dont take any BS from these noisy noise ppl.

Absolutely; as with the usual liberal bunch, if one compromises, one gives and they take. They lose nothing but the side they attack has a one hundred percent loss.
A while later they come back take more, and more, and more.

Fight the dirt bags from the get-go, one has nothing to lose.

[Hugewally]

Except everything.

[Bob Riebe]

Originally Posted by Hugewally

Except everything.

That attitude means you have already lost, so in that case it IS a waste of time to try anything.

They come in with zero, if one is dumb enough to give them anything they have out scored the dweeb who gave them what they did not have.

[Hugewally]

You said there was nothing to lose, but in reality closing tracks, is that not losing everything? And all the while the ACO has a rule to quiet the cars. Before being told to do so. Does that mean they've already lost?

[Aslak Vind]

We are down to two touringcar tracks in Denmark now, due to a few ignorants living beside Ring Djursland. Sadly I think you are right, you achieve nothing by talking to these people, they will use any measure possible.

Sadly.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Hugewally

You said there was nothing to lose, but in reality closing tracks, is that not losing everything? And all the while the ACO has a rule to quiet the cars. Before being told to do so. Does that mean they've already lost?

Closing tracks? Lets see 7 NEW tracks scheduled opened or scheduled to open on the US East Coast alone in the next three years.

Stark FL
Other Central FL track to open in 2 years.
Highrock Raceway - Salisbury NC - opens in July 2009
Old Track reopening outside Savanah GA, ( two tracks with in 50 miles of Savannah now
New track in Covington KY opening early Fall of 2009

2 New track in NY State and NJ opened this year.

The only two sound limitations on the tracks, were 110 db limits and no running racing motors between 11:00 AM and 12:00 Noon on Sundays.

So nope NO track closing on the East Coast of the US.

[Aslak Vind]

no running racing motors between 11:00 AM and 12:00 Noon on Sundays.

Church time?

In 2008, you gotta be kidding..

[Hugewally]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Closing tracks? Lets see 7 NEW tracks scheduled opened or scheduled to open on the US East Coast alone in the next three years.

Stark FL
Other Central FL track to open in 2 years.
Highrock Raceway - Salisbury NC - opens in July 2009
Old Track reopening outside Savanah GA, ( two tracks with in 50 miles of Savannah now
New track in Covington KY opening early Fall of 2009

2 New track in NY State and NJ opened this year.

The only two sound limitations on the tracks, were 110 db limits and no running racing motors between 11:00 AM and 12:00 Noon on Sundays.

So nope NO track closing on the East Coast of the US.

And how many of those are near residential areas and are going to run Pro races or are just club tracks?

[johntt]

Geography lesson here people:

The USA is collossal and thus despite urban sprawl there are still huge amounts open land for race tracks to be built on within a reasonable distance of cities without being too close to residential areas without complaint

In addition ovals tend to reflect the sound of the cars upwards due to the bowl like shape they have.

It may be easy for you in the USA to dismiss noise restrictions but for us in Europe its an unfortunate reality.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Hugewally

And how many of those are near residential areas and are going to run Pro races or are just club tracks?

NJ Motorsports already runs pro races.

Montcillo NY is semi private but is also looking for some big events.

Highrock Raceway will, and that is right next to developments and I95. GARR is looking to hold races here.

The centeral FL track would like too.

Covington KY has the first layer of asphalt down and GARR is looking at it.

The re opened track near Savannah is on a resort Island

SO yes just about all of them,

Besides Club races in many cases are LOUDER the Pro races. All those fully opened exhaust on BIG motor Stock cars. Plus the community revenue brought in from those Club races( motels, meals, other shopping) over the season far out weight the one or two pro races on a track. Plus the jobs produced from all the motorsports events. Communities tell the noise police ppl to not get upset. YOUR community needs the revenue.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Church time?

In 2008, you gotta be kidding..

Southern Baptists


and I am not kidding.

[Hugewally]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

NJ Motorsports already runs pro races.

Montcillo NY is semi private but is also looking for some big events.

Highrock Raceway will, and that is right next to developments and I95. GARR is looking to hold races here.

The centeral FL track would like too.

Covington KY has the first layer of asphalt down and GARR is looking at it.

The re opened track near Savannah is on a resort Island

SO yes just about all of them,

Besides Club races in many cases are LOUDER the Pro races. All those fully opened exhaust on BIG motor Stock cars. Plus the community revenue brought in from those Club races( motels, meals, other shopping) over the season far out weight the one or two pro races on a track. Plus the jobs produced from all the motorsports events. Communities tell the noise police ppl to not get upset. YOUR community needs the revenue.

You didn't mention how many of those are near residential areas. Besides, what does the building of new tracks have to do with my previous statement?

[Hugewally]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Southern Baptists


and I am not kidding.

In Lime Rock?

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Absolutely; as with the usual liberal bunch, if one compromises, one gives and they take. They lose nothing but the side they attack has a one hundred percent loss.
A while later they come back take more, and more, and more.

Right, don't let a motorsports discussion get in the way of your political badmouthing.

[GTfour]

Originally Posted by Satorian

Right, don't let a motorsports discussion get in the way of your political badmouthing.

He's just right though....

Here in Holland we have the ever ongoing destruction campaign against the Zandvoort track. Allthough it's been there since the second worldwar(then alone in the sanddunes),a caravan/trailerpark has been erected right next to it about 30 years ago. Yet these people keep filing complaint upon complaint.
Also the provincial political council is trying everything to get the track tbe closed. Note: The local council wants nothing better then more "sounddays" so they can organize more of the big races,but no,says the liberal provincial council,"it may desturb the surrounding nature"....
The fact that the town of Zandvoort benefits hugely from their track(restaurants,hotels,tourism) and it's pelgrims means nothing to them.

And that's the whole point nowadays,ever more liberal/leftwing organisations manage themselves in area's were they can strangle anything that doesn't fit in their politically correct picture. Now,if this was done by pure democracy,it would just be "the will of the people" but it isn't (at least not in Holland),mostly those posts are being gained by political lobbying and behind the scene deviding of power...

Again I say keep on going against these undemocratic and sometimes downright corrupt(big money CO2 scam) forces,for if it is up to them,we'll only see ultraquiet solarpowered "race"cars....

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Hugewally

In Lime Rock?

Connecticut it weird. No racing on Sundays, or even track days.

That is the Rare exception.


The other I mention are near residential, and some big developments too.


Politics, Motor sports and namby pamby noise ppl are all interrelated. We the motor sports enthusiasts need to be pro-active. Hit them head on before they complaints pop up.

Economics of having a race track near by benefits the local businesses.

PPL that by housing near a race track is just like buying housing near and airport. Who was there first? Who provides a greater tax base and puts more money into the economy?

Give MONEY to the re-election campaigns of the local elected officials . 200 hear and there to several different local elected officials goes a long long way.

[TheNewBob]

Originally Posted by Aslak Vind

Church time?

In 2008, you gotta be kidding..

I've seen church breaks on LMS timetables too, where no engines are to be run.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by GTfour

The fact that the town of Zandvoort benefits hugely from their track(restaurants,hotels,tourism) and it's pelgrims means nothing to them.

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Again I say keep on going against these undemocratic and sometimes downright corrupt(big money CO2 scam) forces,for if it is up to them,we'll only see ultraquiet solarpowered "race"cars....

OUCH.

[Bob Riebe]

Race tracks, shooting ranges, and FARMS (for smell) are continually under attack in Minn. by the liberal twits who move into the country and bring their self-righteous bs with them.
The worst is when they start complaining about not having municiple sewer and water, and presto some butt buddy in the cities which may be MILES away, starts pushing to annex the property out there.
Here such an annex shut down a bar-restaraunt that was two miles from the nearest housing because they could no longer have outdoor concerts in the city limits, and lost money.

[Satorian]

Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Race tracks, shooting ranges, and FARMS (for smell) are continually under attack in Minn. by the liberal twits who move into the country and bring their self-righteous bs with them.
The worst is when they start complaining about not having municiple sewer and water, and presto some butt buddy in the cities which may be MILES away, starts pushing to annex the property out there.
Here such an annex shut down a bar-restaraunt that was two miles from the nearest housing because they could no longer have outdoor concerts in the city limits, and lost money.

Originally Posted by GTfour

He's just right though....

Here in Holland we have the ever ongoing destruction campaign against the Zandvoort track. Allthough it's been there since the second worldwar(then alone in the sanddunes),a caravan/trailerpark has been erected right next to it about 30 years ago. Yet these people keep filing complaint upon complaint.
Also the provincial political council is trying everything to get the track tbe closed. Note: The local council wants nothing better then more "sounddays" so they can organize more of the big races,but no,says the liberal provincial council,"it may desturb the surrounding nature"....
The fact that the town of Zandvoort benefits hugely from their track(restaurants,hotels,tourism) and it's pelgrims means nothing to them.

And that's the whole point nowadays,ever more liberal/leftwing organisations manage themselves in area's were they can strangle anything that doesn't fit in their politically correct picture. Now,if this was done by pure democracy,it would just be "the will of the people" but it isn't (at least not in Holland),mostly those posts are being gained by political lobbying and behind the scene deviding of power...

How do you know the complaining is done by liberals?

Shouldn't liberals be living in noise and dirt, completely stoned and sleeping during the day anyway while blasting some ungodly music? Don't they celebrate Sodom and Gomorrah? Or have they suddenly become the political group of carefully tended yards, white picket fences and quiet afternoons, feeling aggravated by the noisy neighbours and "those pesky youths making all that racket again"?

I could just as easily claim that it's the conservative old farts that do all the complaining here. Seriously, trying to pin noise reduction efforts on a single political group seems nonsensical to me. The complainers are on both sides of the fence.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Satorian

I could just as easily claim that it's the conservative old farts that do all the complaining here. Seriously, trying to pin noise reduction efforts on a single political group seems nonsensical to me. The complainers are on both sides of the fence.

Not here. The old conservatives complain about the liberals.

Does it not come down to the economics of the area? No racing, no added business to the local economy?

PPL dont like the noise OK fine. How do they suggest the local area bring in more revenue? A good old factory? not likely. Some B&B or tourist destination?

Noise in cities, highways, airports and complaining ppl is here to stay.

anyone ever take a sound meter to a local council meeting?

and Bob you know it is not a shooting range, it is a Turkey Shoot.

[Aysedasi]

How 'bout we get the thread back on topic guys instead of insulting each other's politics.........?

[Hugewally]

Originally Posted by AU N EGL

Not here. The old conservatives complain about the liberals.

Does it not come down to the economics of the area? No racing, no added business to the local economy?

PPL dont like the noise OK fine. How do they suggest the local area bring in more revenue? A good old factory? not likely. Some B&B or tourist destination?

Noise in cities, highways, airports and complaining ppl is here to stay.

anyone ever take a sound meter to a local council meeting?

and Bob you know it is not a shooting range, it is a Turkey Shoot.

Noise complaints have nothing to do with any local economy.