Jacques test?? - Page 5

ralf fan · 29 May 2004, 17:23 (Ref:987384)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TeddyG
[B]I don't know if you have me on ignore or what Ralf fan (wouldn't surprise me really given my past posts reguarding the driver that bears your name)[QUOTE]

i thought it was in the forum rules.... rule no. 101: "thou shalt ignore Teddy":confused:

No i did read your post about PH's comments that Williams want a race winner.... but since i did not see a link to an article i thought it must be one of those quotes taken out of context....

Knowlesy · 29 May 2004, 17:28 (Ref:987390)

And after all, there are many race winners out there.

Jack Brabham is a shoe-in.

Red · 29 May 2004, 17:29 (Ref:987391)

Quote:

Originally posted by ralf fan
PH's comments that Williams want a race winner....

Precisely our point!

Jordi · 29 May 2004, 22:51 (Ref:987650)

Does Michael Schumacher actually fit that bill?

**Peter Mallett** · 30 May 2004, 08:34 (Ref:987846)

Or Jano Trulli, Fernando Alonso, Kimi?

jj2728 · 30 May 2004, 10:43 (Ref:988010)

Quote:

Originally posted by knowlesy
And after all, there are many race winners out there.
Jack Brabham is a shoe-in.

john surtees too........

Kirk · 30 May 2004, 19:09 (Ref:988529)

Seems Mr. Donaldson rates the likelihood of JV's return to F1 next as year as 75-80 percent.

Red · 30 May 2004, 19:11 (Ref:988530)

Who's Donaldson anyway, and what's his position in Williams or BMW? And are the remaining 25-20% accounted for?

Kirk · 30 May 2004, 19:20 (Ref:988541)

I take it you didn't like his odds?

hamsmith · 30 May 2004, 19:28 (Ref:988547)

Would be nice to let us in on who Donaldson is for those of us who don't know.

ralf fan · 30 May 2004, 19:28 (Ref:988548)

there is a 75% chance that JV will be back....

That is 75 divided by 100... this gives us 0.75

Now presuming that he goes to Williams or Toyota where 2 seats will be available.... you have to take into account the probability for seat no 1 and 2

hence this will be 0.75 x 0.75 which gives us .56.... multiplied by 100 to give us

a 56% chance of a JV return... doesnt sound so overwhelming now does it?

ralf fan · 30 May 2004, 19:30 (Ref:988552)

ive got another method showing an 18% chance of a JV return... wanna see??

ElScOrChO · 31 May 2004, 00:29 (Ref:988758)

Gerald Donaldson is an F1 analyst on the canadian TV channel TSN

Red · 31 May 2004, 07:06 (Ref:988876)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kirk
I take it you didn't like his odds?

No, i really don't care if he comes or comes not. I'm just bored and annoyed knowing that for the next 5-10 years that Donaldson dude will flood us with his percentages. Untill he finally gets a round number. Be it 1 or 100.

**Adam43** · 31 May 2004, 09:21 (Ref:988989)

I can I just say it is possible for someone to

not hate Jacques Villeneuve

AND

think it is unlikely for him to come back

hamsmith · 31 May 2004, 09:28 (Ref:988994)

You can say it but can I just say that by not hateing him doesn't indicate that someone likes him either.

deeks6 · 31 May 2004, 09:36 (Ref:989002)

Evidently Jacques was seen at NASA recently...testing a new Mars buggy. Probably has a better chance of getting there than he does getting back into F1.
He should just go to CART (or whatever) and soon to be joined by JPM, who has done his dash in F1 - just doesnt belong there. Or he could go to DTM and join Ralf and a few other F1 has-beens or never-was's.

**Adam43** · 31 May 2004, 09:51 (Ref:989015)

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Originally posted by hamsmith
You can say it but can I just say that by not hateing him doesn't indicate that someone likes him either.

The point of my post was more general and wasn't meant to get lost in semantics.

It is possible to have any combination of like or dislike with will or won't come back. Yet all be blummin' arguing (not discussion if you want to pick you on any semantics in this post) about it how the first is responsible for the second. Hence

1. You think he won't come back because you a blind Villeneuve hater.
2. Ah, but you think he will come back because you are a blind JV fan.
1. but you hate him and don't listen to me
2. that is because you love him and don't listen.

That is fantastic for a discussion forum.

Kirk · 31 May 2004, 12:56 (Ref:989216)

Quote:

Originally posted by deeks6
Evidently Jacques was seen at NASA recently...testing a new Mars buggy. Probably has a better chance of getting there than he does getting back into F1.
He should just go to CART (or whatever) and soon to be joined by JPM, who has done his dash in F1 - just doesnt belong there. Or he could go to DTM and join Ralf and a few other F1 has-beens or never-was's.

Sounds as if you're a tad bitter towards F1 in general. JPM (similar to JV) is agressive but refreshingly so. That incident last race could happen to anyone but his relentless style sure beats playing the all to prevalent follow the leader, maybe I can pass him in the pits mentality!

hamsmith · 31 May 2004, 20:54 (Ref:989618)

Here is a fact. Well it's a fact that Rod Dennis speculating.

www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=27620&s=5

Knowlesy · 31 May 2004, 20:59 (Ref:989622)

Next!

deeks6 · 31 May 2004, 22:50 (Ref:989711)

Quote:

Originally posted by Kirk
Sounds as if you're a tad bitter towards F1 in general. JPM (similar to JV) is agressive but refreshingly so. That incident last race could happen to anyone but his relentless style sure beats playing the all to prevalent follow the leader, maybe I can pass him in the pits mentality!

Not at all.

It's just that most JPM and JV fans HATE the Shoe with a passion (he's aggressive too, why don't they like him?) and will villify MS for anything that they can. But if anyone dares to knock their man, they attack with a frenzy and get personal.

Race fans are like dog owners - you can tell what they're like from the dog they have.

By the way, I'm a Webber fan - just a real nice guy!

freud · 31 May 2004, 23:01 (Ref:989715)

deeks66,

Its strange to read your post above and calling JPM and JV fans as 'shoe' haters, when a certain deeks6 has posted following just some nours ago:

ORIGINALLY QUOTED BY DEEKS6:

Evidently Jacques was seen at NASA recently...testing a new Mars buggy. Probably has a better chance of getting there than he does getting back into F1.

Coming out of a Webber fan... can we deduce something here?? NO

Please dont generalize your opinion. I, for one, am not a TGF fan. Yet I am not a JPM or JV fan either. Not all 'Shoe' fans are JPM or JV haters and not all 'Button' fans are Webber haters. Its just ridiculous to classify the fans into certain categories.

TeddyG · 1 Jun 2004, 04:19 (Ref:989836)

Nice observation freud. Even though I am a passionate JV fan I actually enjoy watching and admire both JPM and Shumi although I admire Shumi more.

Quote:

Originally posted by hamsmith
Here is a fact. Well it's a fact that Rod Dennis speculating.

www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=27620&s=5

Great posting hamsmith!
Add Ron Denis to the list of Bernie Ecclestone, David Coultard, Fisichella, Flavio Briatore, Panis, Peter Sauber, Eddie Irvine, Martin Brundle, Patrick Head, etc, etc, etc. of people who believe it is likely that Villeneuve will return next season.

And the doubters still insist that the JV fans are insane for beliving that the odds are at least 50-50 for a JV return.

**Peter Mallett** · 1 Jun 2004, 04:26 (Ref:989839)

It also says "Frank Williams ............... no firm date for "the" Villienevue test". Which could be read to mean they have agreed a test but no date. So as Knowlesey says. "Next".

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