New entry rules for MSV circuits.

[JonJ]

Hi all.

I've seen various threads mention new rules for entry to MSV circuits, but i'm not to sure what any of them are. Is there already a thread on this or could someone enlighten me??? Also how will these be affected if your just a trainee with no MSA license?

Cheers

Jon

[Alan Crook]

Instead of using an MSA card to gain entry, tickets will now be issued, my understanding is that entry will only be allowed with a valid ticket for the day, so this will not affect trainees as they will also be issued with tickets.

[Mark Mitchell]

Try this it will take you to the Racers Forum where there is a dedicated thread.

[JonJ]

Cheers, thats cleared it up

[spottymarshal]

So what happens if you havn't volunteered for a meeting due to work then find you can make it after all at the last minute?

[Mark Mitchell]

LET'S JUST WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!

We're all jumping to conclusions before we know the whole story!

There are senior officials from major Clubs who are investigating this on our behalf.

[spottymarshal]

Thanks for that, look forward to seeing some of you at Brands on Sunday for the CSMA

[btcc-lad]

this could cause a few problems what if the post has not been deliverd? how would u get in then?
what if u havent volenterd? i think mr palmer could loose marshals this way why can we not get in on grading cards or marshalls passes?

[Cynic]

If you haven't volounteered, then why turn up at the meeting? If the post doesn't turn up then I'm sure it's possible to ring the organising secretary and have them give the gate people a list of names. I think the BARC did this once when the post was somewhat unreliable. I can;t really see this system being a problem anymore than the current one.

[spottymarshal]

Originally posted by Cynic
If you haven't volounteered, then why turn up at the meeting?

I didn't volunteer for this weekends CSMA meeting at Brands due to work but now find I can make it on Sunday after all.

The reason I want to turn up is because I enjoy my marshalling and thats all that matters to me.

[Ian Sowman]

Could you not volunteer with a proviso that you may have to pull out if you are unsure. So long as the CM knows that you may have to do this I don't suppose it would be a problem.

[jase]

Ian, the last thing a CM wants is half the numbers disappearing because of work, better to have additional numbers on the day, than fewer because of drop outs. (justmy oppinion)

[Ian Sowman]

I can see that Jason. But you simply put them on a list that says "send tickets but probably won't turn up".

[Cynic]

I think that would be a non-starter - too much admin. The problem is that I think most CM's are happy to take any extras that turn up on the day, but I've also heard storied about one or two getting rather irate about people who turn up at a meeting having not volounteered, and then "expecting" to be able to marshal. To get the thread back on course, most (if not all) of the other circuits maijor circuits operate a ticket-only entrance policy for marshals. Thruxton for example have been making that very clear on final instructions for some years now. The only people I can see this really affecting is those who have only ever marshalled at JPM tracks and no-where else, or those unfortunates who can't volounteer for work or other commitments.

[Tango n Crash]

I frequently find I'm available at short notice. I try to avoid registering too early thinking it will reduce costs, postage etc. Is it better to register for all 'possible' meetings then?

[Peter Harding]

I just heard that a note has gone to circuits confirming that all marhals must have tickets for entry and they won't accept MSA card or BRSCC picture card as used previously at Brands and Snetterton. I believe that tickets will be marked as "officials" and may restrict entry to "before a certain time" (maybe first race). I am sure that there will be some flexibility to avoid problems so we will have to give it a chance to see how it works.

[Tim Falce]

Just a thought, if you are mainly unhappy with this, you could all vote...with your feet.
I know some will say, oh but then you can't race, well that is our problem not yours, entries will go up to cover paid marshals and we won't enter as we can't afford it, vicious circle. Maybe another alternative would be a season pass for marshals as well as showing membership cards. That way there won't be the problem that MSV perceive of friends and friends of friends getting in free

Arthur Scargill

[jim69]

This is all history, Brands Hatch Leasure tried to put an "entry before 10am" on all tickets for marshals. It promted an outcry, as all marshals were sent a "spare" ticket for a freind of relative to get in. It was the only perk we got. There is no loss to the circuit if someone comes in on the spare ticket for two reasons: 1. they will probably buy some over priced goodies whilst in the venue. 2. They may enjoy it so much that they would consider paying to get into other meetings.
But why give the voulenteers who make the meeting possible anything if you can get away with it. Its time the owners showed more appreciation to the marshals.

[Tony_J]

Has anybody asked why the MSV [or whatever its called these days] have changed the entry requirement? Is there evidence of marshals lending their licences to unscrupulous pseudo marshals to gain illegal entry?

[JLD]

I did hear that security on the main gate at Oulton, yesterday, caught some one trying to get in by saying that he was a marshal and when asked for proof, showed them an old pair of works overall in his boot. AFAIK he was refused entry.

I was asked for proof when I arived (late Saturday - camped), chap on the gate was OK (even helpful) when I showed him tickets and instructions from BARC (were all in the envelope together).

[jamo]

I heard yesterday that if you have your own helicopter, you and all your mates can just fly in and park wherever you like

[JLD]

Is that any helicopter, or just those with a personalised reg.

[GT3]

just heard that a note has gone to circuits confirming that all marhals must have tickets for entry and they won't accept MSA card or BRSCC picture card as used previously at Brands and Snetterton. I believe that tickets will be marked as "officials" and may restrict entry to "before a certain time" (maybe first race).

Funny you should say that Pete. There was an incident on Saturday at Snetterton when three of our crew (father and son team) turned up at 11.40 after work and were refused entry saying they were too late, even when showing their BRSCC picture passes.

They had to telephone the Chief Marshall who then went down to the gate to confirm who they said they were.

It will change when a meeting is cancelled due to lack of marshalls - especially if it's a BTCC meeting (which will never happen) - it will be some poor clubbie which will suffer!!

[Hepatic]

Tickets are all fine if you get the details in the post in time. I didn't get a single thing for the BTCC this weekend, but still had no problems getting in (apart from being charged for camping!!!)

It's swings n roundabouts - no matter what the rules it'll never suit everyone, it's something we just have to accept

[Paul Newns]

Like most, I had got used to using my MSA licence to get into Oulton but what's the problem with tickets? That's what we used to have and that's what I use at every other circuit I go to. Generally the security bods are reasonable and on the odd occassion I've not had a ticket I've always managed to get in.

Our Scottish colleagues have a season pass and that works OK up there so maybe something similar south of the border could be arranged. There may have to be some form of a check to make sure it's not being abused (someone will always try and spoil it for everyone else).

One thought about tickets, though. Does Mr (sorry, Doctor) Palmer charge the clubs for the tickets they receive? If so, he's getting double if we all receive a guest ticket so perhaps we should just receive one ticket and send for a second if required to save the clubs lining Dr P's pockets.