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Old 19 Jul 2017, 10:10 (Ref:3752742)   #276
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A Kubica return will be sponsor friendly perhaps. And that's why it might happen. But it would be best a Karl Wendlingeresque come back. All the magic will be gone.
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Wendlinger for me was quite different, as it was a big blow to the head - which this wasn't for Robert.

So, crucially, his brain will be wired the same as before, unlike, sadly, Karl.

Superlicence - hasn't Charlie already said, unofficially, this won't be a problem for Robert at all?! Let's be honest here, Renault will have dealt with most of the hurdles already (even off-record).

I am certain it purely now comes down to commercials.
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 13:19 (Ref:3752789)   #278
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Wendlinger for me was quite different, as it was a big blow to the head - which this wasn't for Robert.

So, crucially, his brain will be wired the same as before, unlike, sadly, Karl.

Superlicence - hasn't Charlie already said, unofficially, on the his won't be a problem for Robert at all?! Let's be honest here, Renault will have dealt with most of the hurdles already (even off-record).

I am certain it purely now comes down to commercials.
It'll be like Zanardi returning to F1 might be a better example. Older and unaccustomed to the new tech and unlike Zanardi when he made his comeback with Williams, with a permanent injury in a area that's needed for him to be truly on the limit.

He's not going to be as he was. No way.
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 14:06 (Ref:3752797)   #279
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What do people reckon then?

Mercedes: Hamilton, Bottas
Ferrari: Vettel, Raikkonen??? Who could they snap up if not? I can't imagine them risking Leclerc...
Red Bull: Ricciardo, Verstappen (?)
Force India: Pérez, Ocon
Williams: Stroll?, Massa?
Renault: Hulkenberg, Palmer? Kubica? Sirotkin or Rowland?
Toro Rosso: Sainz Jr?, Gasly? or Kvyat?
Haas: Magnussen, Grosjean? Leclerc?
Sauber: Wehrlein, Ericsson? anyone else?
McLaren: Vandoorne, Alonso? I don't know who else they could have, unless they fancy risking Lando...
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 15:32 (Ref:3752818)   #280
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McLaren: Vandoorne, Alonso? I don't know who else they could have, unless they fancy risking Lando...
Sainz has been mentioned as a possible for McLaren if Alonso leaves. And of course they've got Button too

Williams is an interesting one - presumably Strolls money will be staying, so they'll still need a grown up in the other car. Massa again? Safe but uninspiring. They've got Di Resta on the books as well if they need an injection of dour Scottish depression (although joking aside he's probably better than Stroll). Presumably Wehrlein isn't old enough?

The top teams look settled really unless Ferrari want to stick Perez in for a year? That would stir things up a bit further down the grid. Or Ferrari could put Grosjean or Magnussen in for a year with LeClerc in the Haas.

Spare seat at Renault - Kubica if his arm works, Sainz possibly if it doesn't. I don't think Sirotkin is a step up from Palmer is he? Other than that could they tempt Ocon back (but would Mercedes let him go there?).

Sauber is Ericsson and someone with budget you'd have thought.

Force India would presumably be happy to keep both of their drivers but if either goes could Wehrlein get a seat there?

Torro Rosso - tricky. Kvyat is surely out of the door? Sainz also could be on his way. Presumably Gasly would be first in line to replace one of them - but if they both left what then? Who else do Red Bull have in the pipeline that would be up to it?
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 20:20 (Ref:3752882)   #281
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Sainz has been mentioned as a possible for McLaren if Alonso leaves. And of course they've got Button too

Williams is an interesting one - presumably Strolls money will be staying, so they'll still need a grown up in the other car. Massa again? Safe but uninspiring. They've got Di Resta on the books as well if they need an injection of dour Scottish depression (although joking aside he's probably better than Stroll). Presumably Wehrlein isn't old enough?

The top teams look settled really unless Ferrari want to stick Perez in for a year? That would stir things up a bit further down the grid. Or Ferrari could put Grosjean or Magnussen in for a year with LeClerc in the Haas.

Spare seat at Renault - Kubica if his arm works, Sainz possibly if it doesn't. I don't think Sirotkin is a step up from Palmer is he? Other than that could they tempt Ocon back (but would Mercedes let him go there?).

Sauber is Ericsson and someone with budget you'd have thought.

Force India would presumably be happy to keep both of their drivers but if either goes could Wehrlein get a seat there?

Torro Rosso - tricky. Kvyat is surely out of the door? Sainz also could be on his way. Presumably Gasly would be first in line to replace one of them - but if they both left what then? Who else do Red Bull have in the pipeline that would be up to it?
I think Williams need some fresh thinking but as you say, who is suitable? Wehrlein or Ocon would be ace but unlikely for reasons well documented. Maybe Nasr???

Ferrari really should ditch Raikkonen if they're serious about the WCC (what's the bet that I eat these words in a few months time...) but there is a gap in their ranks after the Jules Bianchi tragedy. I would be inclined to let Leclerc have a go at ruffling a few feathers given how he is clearly more than capable (and if Verstappen can, why not?!) but Ferrari over recent years have been more than a little risk averse. Pérez as you say would be quite fun though.
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I know there is zero chance of it but i have thought several times this season about what Alonso would do in a Williams.
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 23:30 (Ref:3752915)   #283
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what Alonso would do in a Williams.
probably bankrupt them with his salary demands!

but seriously, that would be great to see.. you would think he would be beating the force indias consistently and even securing those podiums that williams usually let slip through its grasp.

sadly i dont think he would drive for less money though. cynical on my part but i think he would retire before taking a pay cut.
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It'll be like Zanardi returning to F1 might be a better example. Older and unaccustomed to the new tech and unlike Zanardi when he made his comeback with Williams, with a permanent injury in a area that's needed for him to be truly on the limit.

He's not going to be as he was. No way.
No I think it might be a little too much for him and might ruin the memories we have of him, no matter how much he deserved longer in F1, only to be cut tragically short
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I know there is zero chance of it but i have thought several times this season about what Alonso would do in a Williams.
Probably do about as well as Hulkenburg in the Renault. Car is just not good enough to be at the front.
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Both Haas are staying for 2018. Have to say Magnussen is starting to get the better of Grosjean, he probably could have beaten him in Austria too if he hadn't got into lumber
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Probably do about as well as Hulkenburg in the Renault. Car is just not good enough to be at the front.
The Williams is better than the Renault and Massa has done a reasonable job but Alonso is a different animal. No up and down days. You could easily imagine the Williams challenging Red Bull and Kimi on good days and finishing 6th or 7th on the less goid days. However Alonso won't leave McLaren for that. He said he would only move for a car that can compete for wins. That doesn't give him much options!
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The Williams is better than the Renault and Massa has done a reasonable job but Alonso is a different animal. No up and down days. You could easily imagine the Williams challenging Red Bull and Kimi on good days and finishing 6th or 7th on the less goid days. However Alonso won't leave McLaren for that. He said he would only move for a car that can compete for wins. That doesn't give him much options!
Then Williams could become the Honda works team to pay for it... oh wait..
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More news to follow.
Robert Kubica will drive at the post Hungary test. No official announcement just yet.



edit: BBC Sport's Andrew Benson with this breaking story.

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Robert Kubica's return from life-changing injuries will take a step up when he drives a 2017 Renault at a test in Hungary on 2 August.

The 32-year-old Pole has not raced in Formula 1 since a horrific rally crash in 2011 left him with only partial movement in his right arm.

The test, Kubica's third for Renault, is described by the team as "a new phase in assessing [his] capabilities".

It will increase speculation about an impending - and remarkable - comeback.

More to follow

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/40703059

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Great news that Kubica will drive the current car. Finally we'll see if he is still a factor.
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A dilemma for Renault's 2018 driver line up then. At one time Alonso was in the frame. Then Perez, then Sainz, and a few others have also been mentioned. And now Kubica. Who's next??

Apparently Renault has just conducted another secret test for another potential 2018 driver. A spy photo was leaked on the net in the last few minutes....


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If I had a free hand - allowing for current contracts - my shortlist would be Alonso, Kubica (if he can do it), Sainz, Pérez.
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If I had a free hand - allowing for current contracts - my shortlist would be Alonso, Kubica (if he can do it), Sainz, Pérez.
Yes that would be the right order.

Christ, if Bob does get the job done next week that will really throw a cat amongst the pigeons!!!

It could well spell trouble for more than 1 career in the process.
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Kubica already qualifies for a superlicence under the sub reg's of the sporting code. He doesn't need to do anything else. Adding to this, Kubica has already passed the mandatory FiA driver extraction tests.
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Kubica already qualifies for a superlicence under the sub reg's of the sporting code. He doesn't need to do anything else. Adding to this, Kubica has already passed the mandatory FiA driver extraction tests.
Out of curiosity under what criteria does he qualify? Personally I doubt he does qualify as the rules are written. He may be close on the testing side, but I don't think the car was new enough. Or was there some "waving of hands" at the FIA and then voila... he has a license because they think he deserves one regardless of what the rules say?

Note, I would like to see him drive and would be happy if the super license hurdle is over. This is just a pedantic "rules are rules" type of question.

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Because, as has been mentioned before, the rules clearly state that points are NOT the ONLY way to receive a license. They can decide he has met their criteria, an unpublished document, and thus is eligible to race.
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He hasn't passed the extraction test yet as far as I understand it?
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