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Old 26 Mar 2004, 09:10 (Ref:1546670)   #26
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Haven't got my records to hand, but I always thought Belso's BT28/35 was a BT28/BT35???
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Old 26 Mar 2004, 09:34 (Ref:1546671)   #27
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Ted,

The chassis no. 8 for Belso comes from the Motoring News race report for the Mallory F2 meeting.[Think this is right, I'm at college and all my notes are at home]
I know that F1R put the car as 35, but I think that this is a confusion with the car often being described as a BT28/35 - as a hybrid of the two models because Belso owned it so long.

I used to have a similar problem the Peter Hull car, thinking it was 28-30 and only finding out from an ad in Feb 72 that the car was a BT28 with, by then, a BT30 chassis.

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Old 26 Mar 2004, 10:09 (Ref:1546672)   #28
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Ted I wont see 28-23 till Queensland Raceway in July, see what I can do in the meantime.
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Old 28 Mar 2004, 09:17 (Ref:1546673)   #29
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Ted and Chris.

RE. BT28-23 still for sale by Wright Autosport 3/6/1971 .

I rang Robert Foster who crawled around with torch and he advises AM 69-73.
Car was purchased from Straight Six [ dealer ] circa 1990 , by Steve Farrell on behalf of his brother Chris.

The only other known , and I am pretty sure thats it, is BT28-20 , which has been here since circa 1973.
AM- 69-38.

Given the above 3 ch. numbers apart and a hell of a lot of AM numbers different , maybe a replacement chassis into BT28-23 , the car carries ch. pl. 28-23 and had it when it arrived over here from the U.K.

Ted , do you have a query.

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Old 28 Mar 2004, 23:18 (Ref:1546674)   #30
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Ted do you have any BT29 AM numbers?

Could it be that the reason that there is such a large gap fom BT28-20 to 23 is that the numbers may be taken by the BT29's?

or,

Bob Ilich tells me that when a bent chassis arrived on Monday morning, the parts needed were taken out of stock. Beuttler's replacement chassis may well have been in stock for several weeks where as Tim's had to come from Arch.

How's that? Andrew

(the old frames were thrown onto the heap outside the back door. Bob did think about doing a salvage operation as these frames went to the rubbish dump).
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 10:50 (Ref:1546675)   #31
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Any ideas as to the number of David Purley's BT28, and who had it after Purley finished with it?
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Old 29 Mar 2004, 13:59 (Ref:1546676)   #32
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Spent the weekend digging on BT28s in Motoring News and can add the following:

Ulf Svensson buys a new car for 1970 but keeps his old one [chassis 4] and runs it for Conny Andersson.

Chassis 28 [France] in Ted's records is presumably the car debuted by Jean Blanc at Pau in 1970, after he's been out since June 69 Rouen race.

Purley's car is a 1970 build. After Purley finished with it it went racing F.Atlantic for several seasons.

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Old 30 Mar 2004, 04:22 (Ref:1546677)   #33
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The AM No on 28-23 is the same as I have.The car was owned here in the UK by Rob Grant who also owned a BT8 and a BT33 that he brought back from S Africa. I also agree with 28-20. Andrew yes I do have a lot of BT29 AM No s but as we all know there is no way of tying them up with a BT No
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Old 30 Mar 2004, 15:55 (Ref:1546678)   #34
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Hello
BT28-6 was originaly driven by Andy Sutcliff with a degree of works help and some from us at Lenham Hurst Racing. We all thought Andy had huge potential after his time in the G4. BT28-6 ended its days cartwheeling though Paddock!
BT28-21 was acquired to replace -6.
At the end of the season Andy was offered a Lotus Components 59 and continued on his self destructive way, what a waste.
John Gillmeister did a race/ lease/ purchase deal with me for -21 and gave me a drive in the car for the Motor Show 200 in October 1970.
John then converted -21 to a BT29 for the opening season of Formula Atlantic.
The remains of -6 were pressed into use in the original Lenham Repco V8 and the frame was used to form body moulds for our bag tank conversions for the 1971 season. Its still stacked up with all the rest of the stuff from that era of my life. A fantastic period!!!
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Old 31 Mar 2004, 08:33 (Ref:1546679)   #35
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Roger

That's great help! Thanks. [It also solves some of the mysteries surrounding John Gilmeister's cars in F.Atlantic]

I know this is off thread, but could you tell us more about Sutcliffe's Lotus 59. Did you run this on behalf of Lotus Components?
I believe this was the car that was then used by Jonny Dimsdale in the early years of Atlantic but don't know what its identity was.

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Old 31 Mar 2004, 08:41 (Ref:1546680)   #36
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After digging around on BT28s at the weekend, here are the cars it seems we don't know from the build list as we've put it together so far.

1969 build:
Frank Williams [for John Kendall]
Jorgen Ellekaer [retained 1970, delivered before June 1969 so an early number. My money is on this being the car that went to Belso as it's in Denmark]
Gustaf Dieden [retained 1970 but raced under the Mennen label]
Also delivered before June 1969
Lars Ake Tejby [might be Williams car]
Colin Crang [might be Williams car or Uren] goes to Luigi Batistello in 1970
David Cole, goes to Dick Barker in 1970

1970 build
Claudio Francisci
Sigi Hoffman [might be 1969 car 2h]
Cyd Williams goes to John Coulter in 1971
David Purley, retained 1970, to Reg James, 1971-2
Petri
Sten Gunnarsson [retained early 1971]
Mike Beuttler to Jose Ferreira 1971
Gerry Birrell [Sports Motors] to Ronaldo Rossi 1971
Harry Reynolds [USA FC probably 2h 1969 car]
Barry Goulden [probably 2h 1969 car] to Sonny Eade 1971-72

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Old 31 Mar 2004, 22:00 (Ref:1546681)   #37
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Chris I will be talking to John Kendall again soon, I will see what I can find out.

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Old 31 Mar 2004, 23:43 (Ref:1546682)   #38
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BT28 / BT29

I believe Harry Reynolds had BT29-25, (formerly Tim Schenken ran at Sebring), he removed the TwinCam and FT200 and installed a Cosworth SCA and ran it in FC here in the states.

BT28-19 originally belonged to Joe Trotterin of New Jersey with a Cos. SCA.

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Old 3 Apr 2004, 08:17 (Ref:1546683)   #39
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Chris I have a note in my list of Colin Crang with 28-22 But I do not have date as I thought this was in Italy in 72 fitted with an Alfa engine being raced by Luigi Battistello.
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Old 12 Apr 2004, 21:27 (Ref:1546697)   #40
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Trawling through 1969 Autosport I have;

Wayne Mitchell in Chip Gomph’s BT28, Silverstone, July 25

The 1969 BT28 chassis numbers that I have un-allocated at this stage are, 7, 10, 15, (both last 2 to Sweden) 22 & 24 (both to Italy)

Any ideas?

(thanks for the spelling check Michael)
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Old 13 Apr 2004, 11:39 (Ref:1546698)   #41
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Andrew,nice to talk with you this morning.Nothings as simple as it seems!!! My pal has just recovered this BT28 from europe and now we have removed the "screamer" we can see that the chassis was originally built by Arch with a fixed rear crossmember as per BT30,when you said that the Harry Stiller car (17) had this mod I thought we were home and dry BUT this car survives.Were any more28s modified>????
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Old 13 Apr 2004, 16:29 (Ref:1546699)   #42
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Ted,
Are you talking of the ex-Georges/Bruno Legein yellow BT28 that was staying in the Stavelot museum ?
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Old 13 Apr 2004, 16:37 (Ref:1546700)   #43
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Yes I am what can you tell me about it ?? I am trying to make contact with him or any of the previous owners P BEC or F AUBERT.
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Old 14 Apr 2004, 02:55 (Ref:1546701)   #44
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Ted, nice to catch up again, can’t help on the 28, though I am battling my though 1969 A/S and thought the following worth repeating.

Sept 25th 1969. p.5

The Sports Motors-team Brabham F3 BT28 which Tim Schenken has been campaigning this year with a great deal of success, has been sold to am unknown driver in Casablanca. In its place Tim Schenken will be at the wheel of a new works development BT28 for this weekends Cadwell Park International.
The Sports Motors BT28, the first one built –its self started life as the BT21X, when it did not have the new type bodywork. It seems next years production F3 Brabhams will be a refined version of the existing BT28.
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Old 14 Apr 2004, 15:28 (Ref:1546702)   #45
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The unknown guy who bought 28-1 was called Jacky Berenger.

Like Andrew I've been battling through 1969 in both Autosport and Motoring News and have come up with the following:
The big issue, it seems to me is the delivery delays that Brabham had with the BT28. Get this from MN 20th Feb. Salvatore Genovese will prepare the first BT28 to arrive in Italy for Claudio Francisci.
Now the first Italian delivery we know of is 22 which certainly has an Italian owner in 1970, but Francisci drives a BT21B all year, and the chassis before 22, Lenham Hurst's 28-21 and Stow's 28-20 are both late August deliveries. Only five 28s were delivered by the end of May.

So here are the debut dates for some key chassis

9: Thorodsson late June - so between 5 and 9 we are looking for three cars making debuts. Actually we know 6 was written off by Sutcliffe, so where are 7 and 8

The following cars debut in that month:
Williams for John Kendall
Jorgen Ellekaer
Gustaf Dieden [Sweden]
also June debuts is 11 the Erlich car for Ernst Degner, so 10 Sweden is probably the Dieden car.

July cars next !!
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Chris ,

Is BT21X = BT28-1 ????
If so to Berenger ??
Does this make the car I reported in Trinidad with Andrew Cheeks in 1972 , fitted with a twin-cam , BT28-23 , or did BT28-1 change hands again quickly and this is the Berenger car gone to Trinidad.????

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Old 15 Apr 2004, 03:24 (Ref:1546704)   #47
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Vincent Rivet in "the Life of the Car"
by AG Duthé :

"We warmly recommend to you the article of the Life of the Car, n°952 of the 21/9. The preparation of its Brabham BT28 of 1970, frame n°27, is described there. RPM, the company of the motor mechanic Marc Borgetto, preparer in F3 in stable ASM, are also introduced. "

Anyone near a French bookshop? I assume that this is a new book about BT28-27?

a lot of spare time ? Wot Me? Never
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Old 15 Apr 2004, 04:23 (Ref:1546705)   #48
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Andrew, stop stuffing around and go and prune the roses.
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Old 15 Apr 2004, 04:41 (Ref:1546706)   #49
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Andrew, stop stuffing around and go and prune the roses.
Ok done them now, what next? I've still got another 3 hours to stuff around infront of this screen 'till beer o'clock.

Instead of French Books how about .... Now Now, mind above the belt please, English Adverts?
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Old 15 Apr 2004, 05:23 (Ref:1546707)   #50
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nah better idea, Mr Nye's book on Sir Jack has just arrived,

happy reading

Andrew
oh, oh, so very, very, nearly forgot to mention its autographed by Jack & Ron
-I'll lend it to you Bryan, one day.... Perhaps not.
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