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21 Feb 2021, 16:09 (Ref:4036196) | #7876 | ||
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For me Porsche is still a brand outside the traditional VAG brands, although that border is dissolving, see Porsche Taycan - Audi e-tron GT. Same engine is unfortunate but understandable. I hope the body will be very different. |
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22 Feb 2021, 16:08 (Ref:4036320) | #7880 | |
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It’s always good to have cars of different colours, but as long as we have plenty of cars, with many different makes competing, anything else is a bonus
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22 Feb 2021, 17:49 (Ref:4036328) | #7881 | ||
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I think you are wrong, however I won't continue to debate so as to not derail the thread. |
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22 Feb 2021, 19:04 (Ref:4036333) | #7882 | |
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to close this offtopic, you may think I'm wrong but reality disagrees with you
huracan wheelbase 2620mm - height 1165 R8 wheelbase 2650mm - height 1230 how can 2 cars have the same chassis/base if wheelbase and height is different? we could say that R8 and huracan have similiar aluminium frame space chassis, but then we should include also tons of other cars like 488 etc... btw, if will be just a badge/minor bodywork details why don't call the car VW lmdh + porsche/audi package?... |
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23 Feb 2021, 12:18 (Ref:4036418) | #7885 | |
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Now we are really getting ahead of ourselves. But yeah I think some will quickly get nostalgic for previous LMP cars and we'll see people continue to race them. I'm sure we will get a historic series for them in good time. Hopefully though we can have a good variety of cars at Le Mans from lots of different makes and different sizes too.
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In this case, the platform is the Modular Sports System: 'The Type 4S is based on the Modular Sports System platform shared with the Lamborghini Huracan.' 'The new R8 stands on the thoroughly updated platform of the predecessor, now called MSS, or Modular Sports System. It is shared with the Lamborghini Huracán, but it doesn't bear any similarity to the Porsche 911.' 'Down the years a lot of comparisons have been drawn between Audi’s R8 and Lamborghini’s junior supercars; first the Gallardo and now the Huracan. They are about the same size, built on a shared platform and use the same 5.2-litre V10 mounted behind a pair of seats.' |
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23 Feb 2021, 19:40 (Ref:4036496) | #7887 | ||
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23 Feb 2021, 19:55 (Ref:4036498) | #7888 | ||
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Being made by the same modular platform isn't a big new actually... almost all manufacturers have some kind of shared (modular or not) platform for the production of their cars of the same segment. Excluding laferrari that was made on a carbon tub, also ferrari street cars are made from a designed shared platform of aluminium spaceframes... Platform of aluminium spaceframes is shared, different chassis in size and proportions are made from that. For mclaren super/hypercars is the same, difference they use a shared carbon tub platform. Aside that, it's not the case of audi/porsche lmdh since according to these rumors it will be the same cars with some different bodywork parts (at best). At the end it won't even be about choosing between audi lmdh or porsche lmdh, but which brand can support better the team. |
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24 Feb 2021, 02:59 (Ref:4036541) | #7889 | |
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They have different roofs but it's the same floorpan and subframes.
The second generation R8 and Huracan have the same wheelbase, it's the old R8 that was 30mm longer. Because the aero is different the BoP is different but the race cars are very similar otherwise, to the point the steering wheels are the same. |
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24 Feb 2021, 09:02 (Ref:4036568) | #7890 | ||
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wrong again, https://assets.motorwebs.com/audi/brochure/R8.pdf 2017 R8 V10 and V10plus (basically second gen R8) wheelabse 104.3in https://zeperfs.com/en/fiche5170-lam...n-lp-610-4.htm https://www.lamborghini.com/it-en/mo...an/huracan-evo huracan 610-4 and hurcan evo wheelbase 103.1in it's not if you keep on writing they have the same wheelbase 100 times, then they will get the same wheelbase for magic... since you're still focusing on wheelbase, I think you didn't read a word of my previous post about how manufacturers design and use shared platform for the lineup chassis production, so I have nothing else to say about this since the discussion seems to have fallen to the point: "this is true, because I say it's true" Despite official data, you still think the two cars have same wheelbase and so the exact same chassis? ok... it's fine to me. PS. I'll drop you another plot twist... racing cars steering wheels are usually designed by hired third parties (the m4 gt3 sw is designed by fanatec, who made also mclaren 720s gt3 sw at example). Huracan gt3 and R8 gt3 having same sw basically means nothing but both cars using bosch ECU and related hardware like sw controls. |
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A plot twist for you - having a different wheelbase does not mean you have a different chassis. You are focusing on the difference in wheelbase as being proof that the cars do not share a chassis. In that case - can you explain the following statement: 'A new aluminium and carbon-fibre chassis shared with the Lamborghini Huracan means it weighs 50kg less than its predecessor, but is 40 per cent stiffer. [...] The chassis is shared with the Lamborghini Huracan (although the wheelbase is stretched by 3cm), and uses the same combination of aluminium and carbon-fibre.' Or maybe more pertinent, comments from Dr Ulrich Hackenberg: 'the new Huracan chassis is adaptable and will underpin a series of models. In the Huracan's case it amounts to a 50 per cent increase in stiffness compared with the Gallardo's all-aluminium design with a simultaneous 10 per cent reduction in weight. Like the Gallardo and current R8, the engineering expertise that's gone into it comes out of Audi's Neckarsulm plant and combines Audi Space Frame aluminium production techniques with new productionised carbon fibre. In the Huracan's case - and the next R8's - it'll be a chassis for mid-engined cars with longitudinal engines and four-wheel drive. The initial plan is four models across two brands using this chassis.' So why do I assert that the Huracan and R8 use the same chassis, because the former Board Member for Technical Development at Audi says that is the case. |
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This is drifting away from the threads subject
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24 Feb 2021, 12:11 (Ref:4036620) | #7894 | ||
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Yep. Time to move on folks.....
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24 Feb 2021, 12:44 (Ref:4036632) | #7895 | ||
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Buddy wasn't trying to listen, and I knew we'd drift off topic which is why I let this go. Thanks for this though. Anyway, I'll leave it at the Huracan GT3 and R8 GT3 will probably be far more dissimilar than the Audi/Porche LMdh cars, which imo is a downright tragedy. Might as well be LMP2h+ or - really. |
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24 Feb 2021, 15:34 (Ref:4036685) | #7898 | ||
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Possibly, but this will be a whole New Level. Ferrari will want the Centenary Trophy, and won't want to be beaten by a cut-price-cheapo competitor. Not sure Pug would have the same influence. But we'll see...
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24 Feb 2021, 15:38 (Ref:4036691) | #7899 | ||
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Wow! Finally! Ferrari returns!
Please call it the 333SPH |
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