How old are we?

birtek · 16 Jun 2009, 02:54 (Ref:2484188)

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A V8 Supercars event will host a comprehensive performance product expo onsite for the first time in the championship’s 50 year history with this year’s Grand Finale

Yet in the Cameron Levick quits article

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“Tony Cochrane is without doubt the ideal choice to assume this interim role given his expansive knowledge of the business and his experience as the Chairman of the sport from day one in January 1997,” the Board said in a statement.

hmm 2009 - 1997 = 50. Lets give that mathematician the job of counting spectators.

So is it 50 years or 12 years, I am confused?

I cant categorically say motor racing happened more than 50 years ago because I wasn't alive, I know I have seen footage from more than 50 years ago - but it could have been faked like the moon landing footage was.

**GTRMagic** · 16 Jun 2009, 03:19 (Ref:2484193)

Is this the same kind of the thing as the pre-season 'Lisa Skaife' show from years past?

racer69 · 16 Jun 2009, 04:53 (Ref:2484204)

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Originally Posted by birtek

So is it 50 years or 12 years, I am confused?

I vote for 49...we're in the 50th year, but its not 50 years yet

They trade off the 1960 start or the 1997 start, whichever best suits their agenda at the time

Razor · 16 Jun 2009, 05:11 (Ref:2484207)

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Originally Posted by birtek

2009-1997=50. Lets give that mathematician the job of counting spectators.

So with the VESA math skills, does this make me 69?

Amaroo Park · 16 Jun 2009, 07:45 (Ref:2484269)

They must have been to the Alan Bond school of Maths

peckstar · 16 Jun 2009, 08:47 (Ref:2484304)

geepers, some of you guys have got to stop sweating the small stuff so much

ATCC in its various names and formats is in its 50th year (Eg Group A Group C V8supercars etc) (although im trusting racer on that number)

V8 Supercars (as one of the formats of the ATCC) is in its 13th year

its not really that big a deal, and not really worthy of a thread

NewsStalker · 16 Jun 2009, 20:02 (Ref:2484743)

Only one problem - this ISN'T the Australian Touring Car Championship - even the CAMS web site appears have 'lost' any record of past ATCC champions and only mention the V8 Supercar Championsip Series.

peckstar · 16 Jun 2009, 22:32 (Ref:2484881)

sweating the small stuff again

Lucky for you V8 supercars acknowledge the history and includes a list of all 49 winners on there web site, it also includes a lot more historical records.

thunderbolt · 16 Jun 2009, 23:07 (Ref:2484896)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral...r_Championship

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The Australian Touring Car Championship (ATCC) is a touring car racing award held in Australia since 1960. The series itself is no longer contested, but the title lives on, with the winner of the V8 Supercar Championship Series awarded the trophy and title of Australian Touring Car Champion.

Amaroo Park · 17 Jun 2009, 06:13 (Ref:2484974)

Avesco seem to forget too that V8 supercar as we know them started at Sandwon in 1992.

Notso Swift · 17 Jun 2009, 06:17 (Ref:2484977)

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Originally Posted by thunderbolt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral...r_Championship

Touring car race, no
Held in Australia, no
Can't be the ATCC then!

billy bigtime · 17 Jun 2009, 06:34 (Ref:2484982)

Some of u guys have way to much time on your hands

peckstar · 17 Jun 2009, 07:22 (Ref:2485009)

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Originally Posted by Amaroo Park

Avesco seem to forget too that V8 supercar as we know them started at Sandwon in 1992.

Not really, i cant see any 4 or 6 cyl or turbos running around in v8 supercars.

Please dont be pedantic V8 supercars began in 1997. before that they were 5 litres and were run by a totally different manager.

in 1997 AVESCO took over and created the v8 supercars series, this seperated them from orange juice bottle motors. this is what we refer to when we are talking about v8 supercars, not the cars that existed before

racer69 · 17 Jun 2009, 15:54 (Ref:2485282)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

in 1997 AVESCO took over and created the v8 supercars series, this seperated them from orange juice bottle motors. this is what we refer to when we are talking about v8 supercars, not the cars that existed before

The V8 formula had been seperated from the 2-litre cars officially since 1995

V8Supercars was a rebranding of the category name, they didn't rewrite any technical regs, still ran for the same championship

Super Touring as a name was only introduced in 1995, do we say any series that ran 2 Litre rules prior to then (yes, i know they allowed aerodynamics from 1995) was not a Super Touring series?

What is known as the "Formula 1 World Championship" these days ran for Formula 2 cars in 1952 and 1953, yet Alberto Ascari is still counted as winning a pair of F1 titles in those years (even though there were seperate non-WDC events for F1 cars at the time)

billy - there is nothing wrong with accurate facts

Falcadore · 17 Jun 2009, 21:02 (Ref:2485506)

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Originally Posted by racer69

The V8 formula had been seperated from the 2-litre cars officially since 1995

V8Supercars was a rebranding of the category name, they didn't rewrite any technical regs, still ran for the same championship

Super Touring as a name was only introduced in 1995, do we say any series that ran 2 Litre rules prior to then (yes, i know they allowed aerodynamics from 1995) was not a Super Touring series?

What is known as the "Formula 1 World Championship" these days ran for Formula 2 cars in 1952 and 1953, yet Alberto Ascari is still counted as winning a pair of F1 titles in those years (even though there were seperate non-WDC events for F1 cars at the time)

billy - there is nothing wrong with accurate facts

Well, I have a problem with the F1 example there. In 1993 Australian Touring Cars changed their regulations to the 5 litre formula because Group A was dying and it looked like there might not be enough cars to form a viable championship into the future. It was the same organisation, same races, same series.

In 1952 the World Championship changed their regulations to the Formula 2 formula because Formula 1 was dying and it looked like there might not be enough cars to form a viable championship into the future. It was the same organisation, same races, same series.

How is that really different? Isn't it the World Championship as much as it is Formula 1? If it is really the Formula 1 part that is most important, why not include the post-war 1940s races? Or the 1930s European Formula 1 championship? Mark Skaife is still counted as a five time champion, including aparanetly some V8 Supercar Nissans? So why not give Ascari the credit deserved because they raced the best Formula available to them at the time?

Amaroo Park · 19 Jun 2009, 07:25 (Ref:2486397)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

in 1997 AVESCO took over and created the v8 supercars series, this seperated them from orange juice bottle motors. this is what we refer to when we are talking about v8 supercars, not the cars that existed before

So whats the differance between the V8 Supercars and the cars that exisited before that?????

peckstar · 19 Jun 2009, 08:30 (Ref:2486427)

a brand, television coverage, promotion

the owners took a bigger control of the running through the formation of TEGA and AVESCO, i might be wrong but we was that when they introduced a control tyre? it might have been latter or earlier that that happened

the cars were pretty similar but they were not called V8supercars, they went by 5 litres (i think thats what they were called, open for correction on that)

Amaroo Park · 19 Jun 2009, 08:42 (Ref:2486438)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

a brand, television coverage, promotion

the owners took a bigger control of the running through the formation of TEGA and AVESCO, i might be wrong but we was that when they introduced a control tyre? it might have been latter or earlier that that happened

the cars were pretty similar but they were not called V8supercars, they went by 5 litres (i think thats what they were called, open for correction on that)

TEGA was formed long before AVESCO and is the reason that AVESCO exisits.

The cars where EXACTLY the same. AVESCO etc did not change any of the exisiting rules that had been in place since 1992.

racer69 · 20 Jun 2009, 11:06 (Ref:2486888)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

a brand, television coverage, promotion

the owners took a bigger control of the running through the formation of TEGA and AVESCO, i might be wrong but we was that when they introduced a control tyre? it might have been latter or earlier that that happened

the cars were pretty similar but they were not called V8supercars, they went by 5 litres (i think thats what they were called, open for correction on that)

The teams got sold/given rights to the series back in 1994 from CAMS, it was only for 1997 that they did a deal with a marketing company (IMG then SEL) that led on from there

Does the V8Supercar Yearbook not quote V8Supercar champions as far back as 1993?