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Old 14 May 2003, 14:02 (Ref:598766)   #1
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Could be the end of Bernie

Looks like the wedge that is being driven slowly between Bernie E and F1 is getting ever stronger.
Mr Luca de Montezemolo the head of Ferrari has told Bernie that if by the end of the year he has not come up with a more realistic way of distributing the cash that is generated by F1 then the teams that he represents (Fiat Renault Ford BMW and others) will walk away from him for sure and do there own thing.
He has said that at the moment the teams between tem receive 47% of the TV money and that it is just not enough.
They also want a share of the track advertising and ticket sales.
It would appear that they have got the upper hand in this situation but does anyone know what Bernie proposes to do about it.

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Old 14 May 2003, 14:36 (Ref:598788)   #2
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Old 14 May 2003, 14:59 (Ref:598807)   #3
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Sounds like the FOCA/FISA war of 1980.
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Old 14 May 2003, 15:09 (Ref:598819)   #4
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Now what, another split? Every manufacturer sans Toyota and Honda are threatening to leave in 2008. Bernie says he'll buy the F1 shares owned by the banks if the manus agree to stay until 2015. The GPWC will never happen and none of them are going sign a deal with Bernie to hang around for 12 years. Even if Bernie does buy back the shares will any extra cash go to the teams? Funny he doesnt mention that part.

Its easy for Ferrari to point fingers, theyre the richest team and have been around forever. The others arent trustworthy: BMW is impatient, the Mercedes execs are a bunch of wimps who always run away, Ford doesnt care, and who knows about Renault.
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Old 14 May 2003, 15:24 (Ref:598843)   #5
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Its one thing when Ron Dennis or Sir Frank Williams give ultimatums to Bernie, but entirely another when Luca Montezemolo does so. F1 would be seriously damaged if the Prancing Horse left the grid and they know it. Don't be surprised if Bernie does not divorce himself of F1 altogether and it semi-collapses in the following power vacuum.
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Old 15 May 2003, 02:10 (Ref:599268)   #6
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My money is on a big bust up in 2008,theres no love lost between Bernie and "The Manufacturers".The manufacturers will go off with their toys and play GPWC,but Bernies ace is he owns the 2 letters "F1" and all the history that goes with it.He'll bring in a lot of CART and F3000 teams and run F1 as a buy a chassis/one make engine formula.
Minardi and Jordan will stay with Bernie,they will be the top 2 teams in the new format.
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Old 15 May 2003, 03:04 (Ref:599290)   #7
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The more things change, the more they stay the same. The works outfits vs. the Brits all over again. Just like the oval guys vs. the road racers in the states, or the mighty walrus vs. the noble black-footed ferret, or... Wait, where was I going with this?

Oh, yeah! Bernie and the manufacturers are _all_ greedy jerks, so I don't care who wins!
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Old 15 May 2003, 04:08 (Ref:599308)   #8
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A book worth reading "The Piranha Club,power and influence in F1." by Timothy Collings.Gives an insight to how far apart Bernie and the Manufacturers are.
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Old 15 May 2003, 04:49 (Ref:599322)   #9
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Much as I dislike Bernie, he's the dictator with an interest in providing the product year after year. The manufacturers, are not. They are interested in winning and leaving if they can't.

If Bernie's smart, he can win this. The GPWC doesn't have the FIA. So long as Bernie has that, the GPWC could actually have a few problems.
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Old 15 May 2003, 08:26 (Ref:599478)   #10
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Who cares if the maufacturers leave? It seems to me that they have far too much influence in F1 to the detriment of the sporting spectacle. If they have to be involved at all why can't they just stick to supplying the equipment or money and let the real racers get on with supplying us with a genuinely entertaining sporting championship? I think Armco Bender's prediction of a buy a chassis / one make engine series would be very good news, but why wait until 2008?
 
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Old 15 May 2003, 11:42 (Ref:599622)   #12
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Bernie has done an awfull lot for the sport. F1 probably would be what it is today without his doings. Having said that we must acknowledge that he also did very well for himself and his family. He is not young, although he seems to have an endless source of energy. Maybe he is living proff that money can be a great source of energy at an old age. Its time he prepares to handle control to another person or group insuring that a transition is made keeping the circus well run and without continuity issues. Whoever replaces him will have to be a tough cookie commanding respect of all involved. From the constructors side I would like to see Dennis take the job.
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Old 15 May 2003, 12:26 (Ref:599665)   #13
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Yes indeed he has. Removed the sport from F1 and destroyed the racing are the things which occur to me.

Sadly I don't see any way back from where we are.
Unless we went back to manual gearshifts and clutches.

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I'm not so sure. We could well end up with an F1 run by commitee! Even less would get done.

There have been and are good and bad points to Bernie's 'reign'. Failure to realise either shows a misunderstanding of how we have arrived at the current state of F1.

I would not particularly look forward to an F1 that is run totally in the way that the technical commitee is run. How would anything happen? To a certain extent a sport like this needs to be a run by one man. Consider F1/Bernie and consider NASCAR/France.
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Bernie has already distributed a new version of the Concorde agreement for 2007/8 - and apparently the terms are much more team-friendly...
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