Our leading drivers still not respecting the yellow flags

[Rachel Richards]

Originally Posted by Chatters

What astounds me more then anything is, this is not a hard problem to fix! There are numerous low-cost alternatives that will slow EVERYBODY down, therefore disadvantaging no-one and allowing the 'race to the pitlane' to continue...

Hey Chatters, WTF is the ECPA; the Eastern Creek Progress Association ?

If that's what it stands for, umm, dude, you are waaaayyyy to deep undercover, coz it lost it's V8 round, and that 'aint progress...

[peckstar]

The enforcers car protection agency

you need to watch more clipsal Rachel

[Rachel Richards]

Originally Posted by peckstar

The enforcers car protection agency

you need to watch more clipsal Rachel

Sorry Peck, no I don't need to watch more ads.......hence the wonderful advantage of watching it back on a digital hard drive




Clearly the advertising seems to be working on a fair number of forum members.






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[Chatters]

Originally Posted by Rachel Richards

Clearly the advertising seems to be working on a fair number of forum members. .

If you can remember back a couple of years ago when SuperCheap did those "Enforcer" commercials, I changed my avatar and signature to mirror those...

I just think it's great what they're doing, and think it's especially funny in the TV ads seeing Paul Morris as one of the ECPA's "henchmen"

So look after your cars, dammit...

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by Falcadore

That's a difference I've failed to notice. Been a long while since I've seen a yellow flag infringement penalised. Far often consigned to the too-hard basket.

Two FV drivers got time penalties for passing the race leader while under SC conditions in Championship R1 last weekend.

[NewsStalker]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Two FV drivers got time penalties for passing the race leader while under SC conditions in Championship R1 last weekend.

ONLY a time penalty?

Sorry - they should have had their licences suspended for at least 3 months. No excuse whatsoever for ANY passing another car unless it has pulled off the track and is retiring.

Too bad if this upsets some people (harshness) but it is about time those runniong meetings in this (and other) country had some gonads and dished out harsher penalties.

But of course - they all like to be in good with that goody-two-shoes who supposedly directs V8 races and looks the other way.

<off soap box - members of this family have seen and been involved in far too many fatalities at race tracks that should never have happened...>

[ForumNick]

Stewards Reports:
Matters arising from Abu Dhabi:

Stewards reconvened and completed a matter carried over from Abu Dhabi in respect of an alleged breach of the Red Flag requirements by Garth Tander Car #2 in that he failed to slow during a Practice session when the Red Flag was displayed.

Following an investigation and an admission by Garth Tander, Stewards imposed a penalty of a Fine of $5000 plus a suspended penalty of 25 Championship Points suspended on condition he commit no breach of Red or Yellow Flag requirements until 31/12/10.

Source

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by peckstar

PVDA, just wondering then, Was what Gt did considered to be passing under the yellow?

If you are talking about something at the 500 I wasn't watching it Peck, I spent the weekend at Phillip Island at an Alfa Romeo 100 year celibration event.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by NewsStalker

members of this family have seen and been involved in far too many fatalities at race tracks that should never have happened...>

Same here.

[BFC]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Same here.

Likewise

[Rombles1]

Originally Posted by Chatters

What astounds me more then anything is, this is not a hard problem to fix! There are numerous low-cost alternatives that will slow EVERYBODY down, therefore disadvantaging no-one and allowing the 'race to the pitlane' to continue...

Care to elaborate on these? Are you thinking something along the lines of everyone sticking their 40km/hr Pit Lane Speed Limiters on as soon as the SC boards go out? Last one on gets a drive-thru to ensure promptness?

Actually just another query for the experts here - the consensus seems to be that Whincup should have been penalised for not being in sufficient control of his vehicle under yellows. Should Tander have been penalised for passing him when he went off? I remember Todd Kelly going off while leading under SC @ the AGP a couple of years ago, but I think the weather may have been a significant factor, IIRC?

[Chatters]

That is a little extreme, but yes, an enforced speed limit is one option. Teams know when the Safety Car is called, there are flags and boards, so there should be no excuse for not getting on the limiter within, say, 10 seconds off the Safety Car being called.

Another alternative is the Formula 1 system, where once a Safety Car is called, each driver must be above a minimum mandated sector time and are penalised for going underneath that time. This has been in use for at least 2 years and to date I cannot recall any driver ever breaking the rules...

[racer69]

Using a speed limiter for safety cars could also give the added benefit (depending on the type of accident/reason for safety car admittedly) of not needing to bunch the cars up, meaning hard earnt race leads would not be lost

[STEALTHY]

Everyone here knows no such system would ever be introduced.

1: its too logical
2: goodbye value of the entertainment car

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by racer69

Using a speed limiter for safety cars could also give the added benefit (depending on the type of accident/reason for safety car admittedly) of not needing to bunch the cars up, meaning hard earnt race leads would not be lost

One of the primary functions of the safety car is to bunch the cars up so as to create a sizeable traffic-free gap for marshals, recovery teams, etc., to clear up incidents.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

One of the primary functions of the safety car is to bunch the cars up so as to create a sizeable traffic-free gap for marshals, recovery teams, etc., to clear up incidents.

Hence why i wrote in my post "depending on the type of accident/reason for safety car"

If it is only for a piece of debris (or in V8s case, occasionally a flag) or whatever, surely this wouldn't cause too much of a problem.

Was a system like this not trialled in the Dubai 24hrs a year or so ago?

[Bodysnatcher]

Originally Posted by racer69

Was a system like this not trialled in the Dubai 24hrs a year or so ago?

This year saw the 5th running of the Dubai 24hr race, all have used a "code 60" flag instead of safety car intervention. All cars to run at 60kph average lap speed - big time penalties imposed for breaches.

and Dave, if we're not capable of doing clearups when the field are doing 60 kph we're in the wrong job at the weekends

[NewsStalker]

Maybe it is about time someone asked, and investigated, why Hoest Tom S. is so vehemently opposed to in-car lights indicating yellows and/or safety car. These were proposed back in the 90's from memory and CAMS, more particularly Schenken, opposed their introduction with too many high ranking PIARC officials also stating they wouldn;t be used because they were designed and implmented by Calder Park....

[Dave Brand]

Originally Posted by racer69

If it is only for a piece of debris (or in V8s case, occasionally a flag) or whatever, surely this wouldn't cause too much of a problem.

Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

and Dave, if we're not capable of doing clearups when the field are doing 60 kph we're in the wrong job at the weekends

Every case must be judged on its merits, but don't both those comments bring us back to the point made in the original post; if drivers respected yellow flags, how many more incidents could be cleared with nothing more than a waved yellow?

[nomad_n]

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

Every case must be judged on its merits, but don't both those comments bring us back to the point made in the original post; if drivers respected yellow flags, how many more incidents could be cleared with nothing more than a waved yellow?

This would be fantastic idea but it leads to the question when turn 8 broke up on the sunday I was trying to see if the marshals went out onto the track once the race had been brought under control or did they go out under local yellow?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by NewsStalker

Maybe it is about time someone asked, and investigated, why Hoest Tom S. is so vehemently opposed to in-car lights indicating yellows and/or safety car. These were proposed back in the 90's from memory and CAMS, more particularly Schenken, opposed their introduction with too many high ranking PIARC officials also stating they wouldn;t be used because they were designed and implmented by Calder Park....

Not sure about the history in the 90s NT but they were trialled in V8s in the early noughties and didn't work. Problem being that at Calder there was line of sight from control tower to all cars - not the case at most other tracks so problems with radio signal.

There have been quite a few goes at it since (as recently as last year) but none has been shown to be reliable yet on the range of tracks raced on by the V8s.

I don't believe anyone is against the idea per se but it needs to be something that can be depended on.

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by NewsStalker

ONLY a time penalty?

Sorry - they should have had their licences suspended for at least 3 months. No excuse whatsoever for ANY passing another car unless it has pulled off the track and is retiring.

Too bad if this upsets some people (harshness) but it is about time those runniong meetings in this (and other) country had some gonads and dished out harsher penalties.

In their defence, the two offenders were closely following the leader
at the time the course went full yellow and both of them passed the leader IMMEDIATELY. I guess they didn't see the yellows as quickly as the leader did. IMO, the penalty was entirely appropriate. If they were charging around at high speed after all the other cars had slowed, then i agree that a far stiffer penalty would be appropriate.

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by racer69

Using a speed limiter for safety cars could also give the added benefit (depending on the type of accident/reason for safety car admittedly) of not needing to bunch the cars up, meaning hard earnt race leads would not be lost

It's like suggesting half-back should feed into the centre of the scrum instead of feeding it into the second row. It's technically illegal to let them feed the second row but all the TV/entertainment advocate types like the scrums separate the forwards from the backs on the field allowing some flashy running Rugby (League mainly) so everyone turns a blind eye.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Dave Brand

One of the primary functions of the safety car is to bunch the cars up so as to create a sizeable traffic-free gap for marshals, recovery teams, etc., to clear up incidents.

That may be so in other categories, but not V8 supercars.....

Its purely to get all the cars together for a sprint to the finish. As proven by bathurst (not sure which year) where they left a car in a dangerous spot rather than finish under safety car. Safety first my ass!

[Chatters]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

That may be so in other categories, but not V8 supercars.....

Its purely to get all the cars together for a sprint to the finish. As proven by bathurst (not sure which year) where they left a car in a dangerous spot rather than finish under safety car. Safety first my ass!

Was that 2005 or 2006? With Jason Richards being the car in question?