[V8ST12R04] Mike Pero 250 at Hampton Downs, June 1-3

[on_to_it]

Originally Posted by Blackpearl

Which gearbox failure? They ended up using the prototype one, was not a isolated failure amongst the teams.

Who said it was "not a isolated failure amongst the teams"? I don't get your point.

Jonny didn't finished the 2nd race for the weekend because of a gearbox failure of some sort. So the box was replaced. And that DNF cost him the Sprint Championship did it not Blackpearl?

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by on_to_it

Who said it was "not a isolated failure amongst the teams"? I don't get your point.

I think the point is that there were so many gearbox failures across the field that they even used the one from the protoype in someones car,
yet some teams were forced to use known suspect gearboxes in the last race as there were no more available.

[Blackpearl]

Originally Posted by DX20VT

I think the point is that there were so many gearbox failures across the field that they even used the one from the protoype in someones car,
yet some teams were forced to use known suspect gearboxes in the last race as there were no more available.

Correct. Reid used the prototypes gearbox.

[Goat Boy]

Can anyone tell me why the counter for the next race is at 204 days on the ST website? That means nothing until January roughly...

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Can anyone tell me why the counter for the next race is at 204 days on the ST website? That means nothing until January roughly...

Maybe the same reason the site says
the next round is on September TBA at TBA track.???

Although I think I heard on the TV today it is at Taupo??

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by DX20VT

Maybe the same reason the site says
the next round is on September TBA at TBA track.???

Although I think I heard on the TV today it is at Taupo??

I am not 100% sure if I herd Johnny Mac correctly, but I think he said he would see us in Taupo. I do remember clearly that he stated the 1st and 2nd of September.

[Racer Mike]

I'm not much of a tarmac fan but that racing yesterday was quite something. I spoke to a mate last night who was there and a fair bit of conjecture between teams with Johnny Mac getting his points back from his tech exclusion in Ch Ch. Jonny Reid and International motorsport very unhappy.

[Biggy G]

Just had a chance to sit down and watch the telecast of the weekends racing, and i've gotta give a big thumbs up to TV3, I know that they get some grief over the Supercar stuff, but the V8ST Telecast from this weekend is probably the best i've seen from a NZ based motorsport event. The amount of in-car footage, the graphics package and especially the in-car stuff from Boothy all culminated in a superb piece of TV, nice work TV3!

[Icarus_nz]

http://www.nzmotorracing.co.nz/frust...-for-reid.html

... Reid, understandably, was not happy.


"The gearbox problems I can take," he said. 'These things happen and I want to stress how proud I am of the way the guys in the team responded to them, particularly when there was so little time between the second and third races. They really put their hearts into getting the car ready and for that I am very grateful. What I am really disappointed about is the decision to give John (McIntyre) his points back. As far as I was aware it was black and white. Then to find out, not in any official way either, and on Saturday morning...if nothing else I'd still like someone to explain to me why the original decision was overturned."

Me too.
Didn't he admit they had stuffed up? I thought rules was rules

[on_to_it]

I would agree entirely. I went to Hampton both days and also watched my MySky recording today. This weekend had the best racing I've seen in quite a while, I think the best of the four ST rounds, and the TV coverage showed me all the bits I missed at the track (which is usually the case).

[Icarus_nz]

Originally Posted by Biggy G

Just had a chance to sit down and watch the telecast of the weekends racing, and i've gotta give a big thumbs up to TV3, I know that they get some grief over the Supercar stuff, but the V8ST Telecast from this weekend is probably the best i've seen from a NZ based motorsport event. The amount of in-car footage, the graphics package and especially the in-car stuff from Boothy all culminated in a superb piece of TV, nice work TV3!

I had a look online but couldn't find it. Can someone point me in the right direction please

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

http://www.nzmotorracing.co.nz/frust...-for-reid.html

... Reid, understandably, was not happy.


"...... What I am really disappointed about is the decision to give John (McIntyre) his points back. As far as I was aware it was black and white. Then to find out, not in any official way either, and on Saturday morning...if nothing else I'd still like someone to explain to me why the original decision was overturned."

Me too.
Didn't he admit they had stuffed up? I thought rules was rules

I too wondered why no other team had queried the decision until I remembered that they are playing in their own game, with their own rules and processes.

[harcey]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

I too wondered why no other team had queried the decision until I remembered that they are playing in their own game, with their own rules and processes.

Exactly...this scenario was always possible with an interesting judicial system at play with so many multi interested parties.....
However...gotta say was some of the best v8 racing i have seen on these shores for many years....some great passing moves and generally clean and just good hard racing....

[NZSTfan]

Glad to hear you enjoyed it harcey. I went down for all three days and i must say that the racing this weekend was better than what we see most of the time with the Supercars.......you just can't predict anything with this series. I hate to say it, but the turnout for day 1 was dissapointing and maybe this highlights the fact that putting on an event over a long weekend is not a good formula. But then sunday was right up there (numbers wise) and the racing was exciting with lots of passes and aggression shown by all drivers. Big ups to Scott in the #93 car, he slayed the field this weekend, and i am glad that MPC have got some good results, especially after manfield and the rumours that they were going to pull out of the series.

My biggest highlight though was the TV3 coverage. Just fantastic and the radio link with Boothy was spot on, and the in-car coverage just gets better and better each event. The newish commentators were really good too and gave it that kiwi feel (no disrespect to Chris Jewell).

I think we can all agree that the class is showing some very good potential for this formula style racing, awesome cars that go like cut-cats, professional looking teams, and the TV package to boot. well done to all involved

[MrFBear]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

I had a look online but couldn't find it. Can someone point me in the right direction please

Full coverage will be OnDemand later this morning, just waiting for the webguy to get in to upload it to our TV3 website - not geofiltered so can be watched worldwide.

In the meantime here is Manfeild: http://ondemand.tv3.co.nz/Motorsport...2/Default.aspx

[BackSeat Driver]

Can anyone find any reports or documentation as to how Jmac got his points back? I have found information about the loss of points but nothing about its reversal?

[Icarus_nz]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

I too wondered why no other team had queried the decision until I remembered that they are playing in their own game, with their own rules and processes.

Well yes. But if they were to follow their own processes...

[Blackpearl]

Can't have the ego man sad, holinger gearboxes, know of one team that won't do the long distance races with the current boxes.

Many more aren't happy with them either.

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by Blackpearl

Can't have the ego man sad, holinger gearboxes, know of one team that won't do the long distance races with the current boxes.

Many more aren't happy with them either.

any idea why they are failing?
Hollinger always had a good name for building a solid box. have they succumed to outsourcing some of the manufacturing to "cheaper" countries??

[DX20VT]

Originally Posted by smokin'joe

any idea why they are failing?
Hollinger always had a good name for building a solid box. have they succumed to outsourcing some of the manufacturing to "cheaper" countries??

The boxes in the cars are not hollengers.
The boxes they used are about 2/3 the cost I think?

But when you need 3 or 4 a season are they cheaper????
False economy

Same with the engines,
when you have to replace the whole engine after 2 rounds as the valve springs go soft and they loose power,
but you are not allowed to just replace valve springs, you need to buy a whole new engine......

I think the poster above is saying they need to put hollengers in them.

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by DX20VT

The boxes in the cars are not hollengers.
The boxes they used are about 2/3 the cost I think?

But when you need 3 or 4 a season are they cheaper????
False economy

Same with the engines,
when you have to replace the whole engine after 2 rounds as the valve springs go soft and they loose power,
but you are not allowed to just replace valve springs, you need to buy a whole new engine......

I think the poster above is saying they need to put hollengers in them.

true, as quoted by the man himself:

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

The new Heavy Duty Quaife QBE69G retails for GB$6,595 about A$10,000, so its nearly half the price of the Hollinger. It is also a true sequential transmission, unlike the Holinger which is a converted H pattern rail transmission.

The QBE69G is designed to handle 750 BHP and 600 ftlbs of torque.

We spent some time evaluating this transmission including talking to owners of Dodge Vipers in the USA, some of them running well in excess of 750 BHP.


Mark Petch.
V8 SUPERTOURERS.

so basically Mark reckoned because the Quaife unit is a "true" sequential box, is was better suited to the application over using the Hollinger, which would have required a longer lead time to produce the required units.

[Martin Collins]

The Hollinger is by far the better box, better to make the move earlier rather than later and save money long term. Regardless of the horsepower the Quaife maybe able to take it is obviously unreliable and there seems little point in staying with it.
My experience with Hollinger has always been that they supply a great product with excellent support and even if it is still a "bolt on" sequential system it is better than what they have currently.
How often do V8SC have box failures, they just don't any more.

[Fairlane GTA]

The current Holinger RD6S is a sequential box, there may have been some confusion with the older H6S sequential conversion.

[Blackpearl]

Originally Posted by smokin'joe

any idea why they are failing?
Hollinger always had a good name for building a solid box. have they succumed to outsourcing some of the manufacturing to "cheaper" countries??

Yea sorry, I didn't word that right. Hollinger is what most want in the cars as the current units are a false economy, might be cheaper to buy but the upkeep of them is expensive.

[Icarus_nz]

I imagine Quaife might be getting a 'please explain' call.
One presumes that is was made VERY clear what the application was.

After years of budget sillyness costing a fortune in the old class I think MP would have asked the right questions at the time.

Brembo got it right.
Quaife got it wrong.