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Your last line is interesting though, F1 has become so monetised and serious that it is truly hard to remember a champion, indeed any driver, who was truly liked by opponents. Has there been any since the 80's? Damon Hill perhaps? I get the impression they barely even glance at each other nowadays should they accidentally find themselves in the same room as one another. |
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Vettel and Schumacher are both 'greats'. To deny that, is to deny what they achieved and how they did it. They've also had to put up with the full torrent of internet forum abuse. Such as Senna, Prost, and others, were generally spared that ordeal.
I also think that Button is probably the most 'likeable' champion in a long while. Certainly amongst the current champions. |
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i thought that was a fair comment, and it applies to both reaction from the fans and from the media, teams, etc. |
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I don't think popularity is any metric for greatness and I actually think breaking the rules could be a metric of greatness. I mean rules as in not conspiracy to cheat or gain an unfair engineering advantage or stuff of that sort but an arrogant and upfront display that the driver in question *thinks* he is bigger than the sport. If Vettel was honest about what he was up to instead of cowardly squirming when he turned over Webber I'd have more time for him. I'd still dislike him but I'd have more time for him.
For me to consider Vettel a great would be a clear demonstration of him transcending his machinery and beating an opponent of equal rank in a car of roughly equivalent stature. There's certainly greatness in winning those championships but right now there's a lingering ambiguity as to whether that 'greatness' is attributable to the Neweymobile or the driver. That part is not really Vettel's fault, btw, I don't expect him to resign and go to an inferior team. It's a sign of the times and of circumstance. |
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i think your beef with him is more to do with what the media chooses to show you rather than the man he actually is.
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It's always been the same, and the cars are so much closer in performance now. Gone are the days when a Minardi got lapped three or four times during a race. Sure, it may be all down to fine details, but Vettel is so much better at that stuff than any other contemporary F1 driver, barring perhaps schumacher.
I should also say that Vettel would be a fool to leave Red Bull when he's managed to get the car he wants by being able to tell his engineers what he wants from a car that has got a few updates on. No one does that better than Vettel. Last edited by Marbot; 17 Sep 2013 at 18:02. |
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I don't consult anything other than trade media, those lifestyle segments Sky throws at us and published trade media. I have no insight to him beyond his own acts post-race.
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Yes, oh yes ? Those times were so rare that I can't quite remember all of them... but I used to love them, they were a great team.
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